Message from @chonkyfire

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2019-11-06 18:11:07 UTC  

hello where is the general chat

2019-11-06 18:11:18 UTC  

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2019-11-06 18:11:21 UTC  
2019-11-06 20:41:47 UTC  

Wtf is void even

2019-11-06 20:45:02 UTC  

Nothing

2019-11-06 21:06:13 UTC  

Then what's the fuss over nothing

2019-11-06 21:58:53 UTC  

Words of wisdom from the man that took humanity to the stars

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/619784489031172129/641758429039296543/quote-nature-does-not-know-extinction-all-it-knows-is-transformation-everything-science-has-wernher-.png

2019-11-06 23:18:27 UTC  

I find this to be a faulty argument

2019-11-06 23:18:50 UTC  

The brain which is the source of our consciousness is a biological machine like any organ

2019-11-06 23:19:22 UTC  

It doesn't dissapear it decays into nutrients like most other organic things

2019-11-06 23:19:59 UTC  

Consciousness is not a biological machine, that hypothesis is not supported

2019-11-06 23:20:06 UTC  

I'm assuming he's talking about the idea of consciousness not just dissapearing because energy can't be created or destroyed

2019-11-06 23:20:17 UTC  

The brain is

2019-11-06 23:20:28 UTC  

And the brain is the source of consciousness

2019-11-06 23:20:34 UTC  

The brain isnt consciousness

2019-11-06 23:20:42 UTC  

A brain alone isnt conscious

2019-11-06 23:20:46 UTC  

No it does other things as well

2019-11-06 23:20:57 UTC  

But consciousness exists in the brain alone

2019-11-06 23:21:04 UTC  

Youre missing a whole aspect of essence that has been debated for centuries

2019-11-06 23:21:17 UTC  

Which is?

2019-11-06 23:21:23 UTC  

Not really actually, it exists in the perceptions of individual cells too

2019-11-06 23:21:32 UTC  

Not in the nucleus, but in the membrane

2019-11-06 23:21:56 UTC  

Essence is the topic thats debated on, whether it be in platos conception or sartes

2019-11-06 23:22:12 UTC  

Regardless the idea that consciousness only exists in the brain is not supported

2019-11-06 23:22:38 UTC  

I should say, I'm saying that I don't think his argument is valid because what I'm saying is just as possibly true

2019-11-06 23:23:07 UTC  

In regards to what I think the fact of the matter is I have no idea is my honest answer

2019-11-06 23:23:36 UTC  

The idea that consciousness dissolves into more fundamental particles like a brain dissolves into nutrients is a basic ommition of the fact that the brain doesnt just magically dissolve

2019-11-06 23:23:50 UTC  

The brain would only decay because of other life forms feeding on it

2019-11-06 23:24:05 UTC  

What life form feeds on conciousness?

2019-11-06 23:24:17 UTC  

Unless it is a permanent aspect of existence

2019-11-06 23:24:19 UTC  

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2019-11-06 23:24:34 UTC  

You're assuming consciousness can't be a natural function of the brain

2019-11-06 23:24:47 UTC  

And has to be supernatural in some way

2019-11-06 23:24:48 UTC  

No, thats what YOURE assuming

2019-11-06 23:24:54 UTC  

You are assuming that it IS

2019-11-06 23:24:58 UTC  

Im saying its inconclusive

2019-11-06 23:26:18 UTC  

I think it's inconclusive as well, I think what your saying is valid but I also think my point is equally valid, which is why you can't say "my study of science proves to me life after death" because no one understands consciousness, really

2019-11-06 23:26:45 UTC  

Well, you said his argument is faulty while also identifying no fault

2019-11-06 23:26:55 UTC  

The dudes a nazi, first nasa director

2019-11-06 23:27:05 UTC  

But he had a grip on this one aspect

2019-11-06 23:27:23 UTC  

I said his argument is faulty by pointing out an obvious counterpoint