Message from @Wickland2

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2019-11-06 23:20:06 UTC  

I'm assuming he's talking about the idea of consciousness not just dissapearing because energy can't be created or destroyed

2019-11-06 23:20:17 UTC  

The brain is

2019-11-06 23:20:28 UTC  

And the brain is the source of consciousness

2019-11-06 23:20:34 UTC  

The brain isnt consciousness

2019-11-06 23:20:42 UTC  

A brain alone isnt conscious

2019-11-06 23:20:46 UTC  

No it does other things as well

2019-11-06 23:20:57 UTC  

But consciousness exists in the brain alone

2019-11-06 23:21:04 UTC  

Youre missing a whole aspect of essence that has been debated for centuries

2019-11-06 23:21:17 UTC  

Which is?

2019-11-06 23:21:23 UTC  

Not really actually, it exists in the perceptions of individual cells too

2019-11-06 23:21:32 UTC  

Not in the nucleus, but in the membrane

2019-11-06 23:21:56 UTC  

Essence is the topic thats debated on, whether it be in platos conception or sartes

2019-11-06 23:22:12 UTC  

Regardless the idea that consciousness only exists in the brain is not supported

2019-11-06 23:22:38 UTC  

I should say, I'm saying that I don't think his argument is valid because what I'm saying is just as possibly true

2019-11-06 23:23:07 UTC  

In regards to what I think the fact of the matter is I have no idea is my honest answer

2019-11-06 23:23:36 UTC  

The idea that consciousness dissolves into more fundamental particles like a brain dissolves into nutrients is a basic ommition of the fact that the brain doesnt just magically dissolve

2019-11-06 23:23:50 UTC  

The brain would only decay because of other life forms feeding on it

2019-11-06 23:24:05 UTC  

What life form feeds on conciousness?

2019-11-06 23:24:17 UTC  

Unless it is a permanent aspect of existence

2019-11-06 23:24:19 UTC  

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2019-11-06 23:24:34 UTC  

You're assuming consciousness can't be a natural function of the brain

2019-11-06 23:24:47 UTC  

And has to be supernatural in some way

2019-11-06 23:24:48 UTC  

No, thats what YOURE assuming

2019-11-06 23:24:54 UTC  

You are assuming that it IS

2019-11-06 23:24:58 UTC  

Im saying its inconclusive

2019-11-06 23:26:18 UTC  

I think it's inconclusive as well, I think what your saying is valid but I also think my point is equally valid, which is why you can't say "my study of science proves to me life after death" because no one understands consciousness, really

2019-11-06 23:26:45 UTC  

Well, you said his argument is faulty while also identifying no fault

2019-11-06 23:26:55 UTC  

The dudes a nazi, first nasa director

2019-11-06 23:27:05 UTC  

But he had a grip on this one aspect

2019-11-06 23:27:23 UTC  

I said his argument is faulty by pointing out an obvious counterpoint

2019-11-06 23:27:36 UTC  

Your counterpoint is just as invalid

2019-11-06 23:28:04 UTC  

Also, science isnt built to understand mystical experiences or consciousness

2019-11-06 23:28:26 UTC  

Science wants to know WHY something works, mysticism wants to know HOW

2019-11-06 23:28:47 UTC  

They diverged from each other following the development of the scientific method

2019-11-06 23:29:02 UTC  

Well some would argue when they diverged

2019-11-06 23:29:26 UTC  

But anyway, the equivalent to a scientist studying consciousness is: monks, gurus, etc

2019-11-06 23:29:32 UTC  

You don't think science could understand consciousness?

2019-11-06 23:29:50 UTC  

I dont think its anywhere close right now, but maybe it could in the future

2019-11-06 23:30:02 UTC  

Same

2019-11-06 23:30:05 UTC  

They already created a procedure to test astral projection and remote viewing

2019-11-06 23:30:11 UTC  

Really?