Message from @Verchiel

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2019-11-27 18:06:04 UTC  

I came out of my body, went in my parents' room and sat on the bed/heard and watched them sleep.

2019-11-27 18:06:05 UTC  

I( feel like psychs and dissos can be tools to help teach you and wire your brain for achieving those states

2019-11-27 18:06:10 UTC  

That was a while ago.

2019-11-27 18:06:28 UTC  

I can leave my body pretty easily but I've found it takes time to get deep enough for that state

2019-11-27 18:06:45 UTC  

Neurologically it's associated with theta EEG rhythms as a correlate

2019-11-27 18:06:58 UTC  

Whereas earlier meditation phases tend to be more alpha dominant

2019-11-27 18:07:06 UTC  

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2019-11-27 18:07:35 UTC  

When I induced a projection, I used theta frequencies as supplementary to the meditation.

2019-11-27 18:07:55 UTC  

I fell asleep, woke up that same night having failed, and then tried it again

2019-11-27 18:08:02 UTC  

The same night, popped right out of body

2019-11-27 18:08:07 UTC  

Around 6am

2019-11-27 18:08:20 UTC  

One of my most interesting experiences was being lucid in Slow Wave sleep

2019-11-27 18:08:43 UTC  

I'd read about it in ancient hindu texts -- iirc the Yoga sutras of Patanjali

2019-11-27 18:10:00 UTC  

Care to share the experience itself, or some descriptions of the qualia within the state/through use of the method?

2019-11-27 18:12:30 UTC  

Ok sure. Weird method was basically a ton of mucuna prurients (l-dopa) for a couple days, at which time I was ojn a prescription NDRI, bupropion. So lots of dopamine

2019-11-27 18:12:38 UTC  

Had this INTENSE religious experience on it out of almost nowhere lol

2019-11-27 18:13:10 UTC  

So I hadn't really slept in a couple days, despite not being super stimmed out. (mucuna is interesting in that it's not jittery or anything, just clear headed. Doesn't quite feel like a full on stim, but will keep you awake through a night)

2019-11-27 18:13:37 UTC  

When I finally got to sleep, I stayed lucid into REM. Periodically I'd get "sleepy" in the lucid dream, and lie down. That was when I was cylcing from REM to slow wave sleep

2019-11-27 18:13:56 UTC  

It's a gentle grey place. Mental activity is more thoughtlike and thought based. Some geometry to it though

2019-11-27 18:14:40 UTC  

So basically I used sleep deprivation to catalyze it

2019-11-27 18:16:15 UTC  

I see. Was it the Mucuna that kind of helped you peddle enough 'wakefulness' to remain conscious into the lucid, or was it the state given to you after the effects of Mucuna had passed--that strange alertness embedded within the sleep depravation itself?

2019-11-27 18:17:05 UTC  

Interesting question and I'm not sure. The Mucuna was so gentle. Now, the NDRI changes it by inhibiting dopamine reuptake. You could probably use phenylpiracetam for that aspect

2019-11-27 18:17:16 UTC  

The effects had passed at that time and I was ready to sleep lol

2019-11-27 18:17:30 UTC  

But sometimes sleep deprivation helps catalyze lucid or just vivid dreams

2019-11-27 18:17:35 UTC  

Including the ones where you're told things

2019-11-27 18:17:38 UTC  

Things that come to pass

2019-11-27 18:17:43 UTC  

That always freaks me out a little lol

2019-11-27 18:18:12 UTC  

Like when my late grandmother died. It's super common to experience but I did see her pass in a dream at the exact time of her passing.

2019-11-27 18:18:25 UTC  

But then I am always told other thigns too. Things i'd take with a grain of salt otherwise.

2019-11-27 18:19:07 UTC  

Well, I have found that dreams which are predictive, or which are the result of visitation, bear certain qualities and sensations.

2019-11-27 18:19:47 UTC  

Characters normally blend into the dreamscape; in the case of an intercession, the characters will feel as though they possess identities.

2019-11-27 18:20:19 UTC  

Also, there is a kind of solar or mercurial type of *sense* which is present when you are conscious within a dream which matters.

2019-11-27 18:20:20 UTC  

Yes definitely

2019-11-27 18:20:23 UTC  

Some are recurrent

2019-11-27 18:20:36 UTC  

You just "know." I call it "the Realness"

2019-11-27 18:20:41 UTC  

It is not the typical lunar feeling where forms simply shift into one another and meaning generally becomes lost.

2019-11-27 18:20:44 UTC  

Yes precisely.

2019-11-27 18:21:01 UTC  

I get that on some psychedelic trips though. But not all. Only the truly special ones.

2019-11-27 18:21:22 UTC  

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2019-11-27 18:22:35 UTC  

I have been visited by the Gods to be shown where I go when I die, and two years ago, I astral projected into my bathroom twice on two separate days within the same week, and saw in the mirror two ancestors. One appeared to be from the Steppe or somewhere close, may have been ANE, and the other had red hair, and looked notably Later Neolithic/Early Bronze Age.

2019-11-27 18:23:03 UTC  

That experience brought me to tears and was very dear to me.