Message from @Osteos
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Words have power
They shape our reality in very mundane and non occult ways lol
Fearing something gives it power, you're just creating the problem yourself
I feel you on that
But I understand why people have that fear and why it's so hard to shake
Nothing would happen if you didn't assign weird consequences to it
I agree with your point on you have to give words meaning for them to have power
but you can't control if someone else gives meaning to your words
Words/concepts/people anything
Depends on what you mean by other people giving meaning to what I say
I mean in the context of speaking demons names
If I start blaspheming against allah that doesn't exactly mean I'm gonna get struck down by a lighting bolt, or have a 747 flown into my house, no matter what they would like you to believe
You may speak a name and not give it power, but if someone else gives, or more like, lots of people give those names power, it doesn't matter if you do or not
Collective consciousness
that wacky stuff
Sure it does, I just explained how that wasn't the case 🤔
In the case of your example, you gave Allah.
isn't he supposed to be "merciful and forgiving"? Obviously nothing bad would come of that
If you worship him, then sure
What would contextualize worship though?
The punishment for apostasy is death, so if you don't....
Well, death at the hands of people, not the entity himself
or, maybe you could make an argument that he was responsible for their actions
Supposedly from the entities divine words though
So what do you believe? Is it ultimately his doing or his followers?
or are they not so different anyway
Maybe it doesn't matter if it's one way or the other, idk
the result is the same
These are all really interesting theological questions
Well that's exactly the issue isn't it? If it's from his followers, then all of these actions derive from giving meaning to something that requires meaning to function. If it's from Allah, then meaning is pointless, it happens regardless of whether you believe or not
So are negative effects from speaking demons names an external effect (something that happens without belief) or an internal effect (something that happens because we believe it will)
I've always leaned toward the second
But haven't got any real experiences with negative entities so I'm not sure
Never encountered anything I've perceived as negative
It applies to any percieved effects
Positive or negative
I've purposely reached out to negative forces years ago. Not so much Hollywood ohsospoopy demon but more or less draining of energy, and of those around me
Not so fun, but I was a dumb kid who was curious
As far as the discussion goes above, this is the same argument in the bible, during exodus
the scripture clearly states it was God who hardened the pharaohs heart to the plight of the Jews
so does that mean the pharoh wasn't at fault? Do we not have free will and God or whoever has full control over our actions?