But on what you said earlier fizzle unfortunately theres been an equivocation that being proud of the achievements of a culture is somehow bad or pride in your country for its capacity to deliver a greater life to its inhabitants is somehow bad because a bunch of larping neo-nazis also equate themselves with a variation of that theme which is shite

You should be proud of your country

There are much worse countries then Sweden

Like russia

yes, thats true, sweden has an immigration problem, but we used to be so much greater, hell we have become an antisocial awkward society

its shown in our politics that alot of people are starting to get tired of taking in immigrants and getting called the rape capital of europe,

I think europe as a whole has been suffering from a really poor understanding of what immigration is supposed to accomplish, namely an acceptance of those willing and able to contribute to your national project, instead opting for an open door policy

@CronoSaturn The culture of buying random stuff, as opposed to stuff of merit is being instilled in people through advertisement.

Granted, we cannot escape ads completely, but the current situation is intolerable.

I think that people should develop a culture of not being a dumb cunt and buying shit just because its on tv goes without saying. For those that refuse to develop that self control its not my burden to bear

That is similar to saying that cocaine should be legalized because people can control themselves and not get hooked up on it.

Not all people possess the will and self-control as others.

Doesn't mean the consumer culture needs to screw them over.

exactly crono, id rather accept asian based people in sweden, rather than middle eastern or african, because they have statisticially shown not to adapt to the culture, instead trying to rebell against it or act against it

Kaz Understood, but neither can nor am willing to pay the cost to enforce it on others, granted consumer protections need exist and we can have a conversation as to what they should look like but if people are purely buying shit because its shiny and they just *have* to have it nothing I can do can help them

I dont even think “adapting” to the culture is necessary per se so much as engaging productively with society. Your indian guy who has his lil shrine in the taxi? No problem, old mate has a job, pays his bills, and if that shrine and doing indian cultural shit is what makes them happy and being in the country makes them happy who am i to say no?

It’s where people dont like the country, wont engage productively and wont leave

Migrant or non-migrant, not a fan of that

Whoever you are if your just on welfare bitching about the country but doing nothing in order to actually make it better you need a swift kick in the ass

Or go somewhere else

yeah, but also adapt to the social norms, thats neccesary. A guy can practise his own stuff in private for sure, but if he acts obnoxious and refuses to act lets say by swedens norms where ur supposed to not invade someones personal space

I agree. There’s a time and a place for everything and like any social function its about knowing where those are

You wanna have the call to prayer in the morning? No problem

Unless you’re waking up your neighbours at 5 in the morning

Then thats a problem

yeah, most of the problems ive seen risen, is that its obnoxious behavior where norms arent followed and a certain loudness is achieved

ever seen someone complain about south koreans in sweden? nope

It’s all about mutual respect and being willing to learn. I’ve had some weird ass culture clashes with some Koreans but so long as people are open and willing to see how to accomodate eachother in a reasonable fashion theres no probs

There’s always assholes in any group that dont want to do that though

Some more than others

Some less than others

But its ultimately an individual thing

yeah, thats true, but the majority of a certain culture is not willing to do that

well, let me correct myself, the offspring of the first generations of that culture isnt willing to do that

That seems to be a feature of the kinda first wave of immigration from a new cultural group

the first wave was mostly wanting to work and accomodate, with their own private beliefs, but they still kept to themself and tried their best to act within the social norms

Then theres a bit of a clash of cultures with the kids. From what ive seen it dies down with time and people start to appreciate just how good they got it but teens are an entitled bunch as it is and see themselves as special snowflakes anyway and so having something to hang that feeling on doesnt help

I think people need to be confronted with the reality that they can always leave and if they feel they cannot contribute to a nation then that nation has no requirement to host them. Faced with that most sensible people sober up pretty quickly and the rest arnt worth the effort

Travel also opens your eyes up to the realities of the world pretty fast

https://www.lifenews.com/2018/02/02/comedian-sarah-silverman-says-pro-life-laws-make-me-want-to-eat-an-aborted-fetus/

Wow this is very interesting information indeed, Bullwhip. I'll be sure to read it.