*nigger

IM TRYING TO CHANGE THE TOPIC

@Springband I know, you sound like a progressive, not like a liberal

I don't know what I am :)))

Progressivism and liberalism is the same exact fucking thing

WELL STOP TRYING TO CHANGE IT

DM

or who i am

THIS IS FUCKED UP LIKE FUCK

@Springband they're not though

was made for this conversation

stop being weird.

who?

Alright, what is the difference?

liberals are for personal freedom, progressives are for collective guilt and segregation

I think the term you're looking for is classical liberal

any one else watch the walking dead

When people say liberal, they mean social liberal

liberals think you can do whatever the fuck you want if it doesnt hurt anyone
progressives think they should control you so you will think and act the way it makes them feel good

Yeah, you're talking about classical liberalism/libertarianism

thats why I am trying to use the term liberal in its actual meaning

we need to take the term back

Not going to happen

libertarianism is too far for me

How so?

That's exactly what it is, personal freedom

we have a saying: each change starts from yourself

Do whatever the fuck you want as long as it doesn't harm anyone

humans cant live without some form of gubberment of hierarchy

their utopia dreams are retired

I've never heard a libertarian have any utopian ideas

they have this libertarian utopia ideal

with no goverment

communes

etc

Those aren't libertarians

muh communism

basucally they go as far as possible from sociolism and go full cirlce to anarchism

I feel extremely sick

cheer up my dude

Get better you nigger