is that man on his own will fall

because human nature is inherently flawed and evil, it is simply the nature of being creation

Yes, people need guidance. Not indoctrination. Guide people onto the correct path. If they choose to follow, so be it. If not, that is not your problem and shouldn't concern you.

yes, it is possible to learn of God without the Church or even the bible, but it is not obvious.

I don't think humans are inherently evil

What makes you think that?

I dont see how guidance can make us "less evil"

why shouldnt i follow islam then

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Well, islam is a heretical offshoot of the Old Testament.

I agree

That it is.

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@Okamle I agree with that. There should be a debate channel

Islam wasn't before Christianity

The reason we have a new testament is to stop people from killing for Christianity. As most of us don't feel it's right to kill.

Islam began the seventh century, don't lie.

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Well it is important to make the distinction between killing and murder.

Thou shalt not kill.

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For any reason outside wartime.

(And self defense, of course)

Murder means that there is evil intent behind the act. What if you kill in self defence, or to protect the life of another?

The hebrew text translates it to 'murder'

i know paganism is what a lot of christianity is based on

as far as holiays go

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Well then, if we look at it that way, killing someone in defense of your family would be irrefutable.

but i suppose you can assume that by 'kill' it meant 'unlawful killings'

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Wrongdoings, correct.

As I believe in the Bible it states you may kill only when necessary to protect you or your family.

From what I understand, the bible states three justified killings:
1 - due consequence for crime
2- in warfare
3 - intruder in the home

that's what i remember from my readings

There we go. Couldn't remember what it was exactly, but that's what my mother and I discussed.