If we go with what fury is talking about. Then this kind of modernism is defined by the belief that we can understand the world through pure rationality. That we can work from the purely material to the modern construction of society

well yes when you include infinite elements in a set I cannot define all the elements let alone show a relation with another set

You are just mistaking dogma for science

btw discrete maths should be the basic maths taught in schools

Science is just making provable theories

and testing them

but that's just a tangent

No that IS science

yes

predictive validity is science boiled down to its most basic part

I'm saying that modern scientists will force you to prove a relation between a set with infinite elements and another set

which is impossible

even if I show you a relation between race and IQ

well that obviously wouldn't be very predictive

and then control for income

and then control for schooling

there's always "racism lowered their IQ dude"

"brutalism bro"

it will never end you see

that's why you can't talk to these people

Brutalism is 10/10

^^^

Thats not about what is, but rather about how it came to be

Concrete is a saint.

two seperate questions

no no

they're saying this because they think they can be fixed

no one will argue with you when you say blacks today are way dumber than whites

at least not honestly

they'll say that it's a temporary state as a result of context

and there is literally no way to disprove it

I know, I understand that

because context is infinitely complex

they'll add new variables repeatedly even if you start breaking down their argument

which is why a lot of modern science is a joke

I'm just saying science is not interested in how things got to where they are

there's too many confounding variables in half this shit

at least not in the micro

even global warming

but scientists cannot admit "we don't know"

at least not to politicians