Message from @Mankn II

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2019-10-10 21:12:23 UTC  

"The 1890 British Ultimatum was an ultimatum by the British government delivered on 11 January 1890 to Portugal. The ultimatum forced the retreat of Portuguese military forces from areas which had been claimed by Portugal on the basis of historical discovery and recent exploration, but which the United Kingdom claimed on the basis of effective occupation. Portugal had attempted to claim a large area of land between its colonies of Mozambique and Angola including most of present-day Zimbabwe and Zambia and a large part of Malawi, which had been included in Portugal's "Rose-coloured Map".

It has sometimes been claimed that the British government's objections arose because the Portuguese claims clashed with its aspirations to create a Cape to Cairo Railway, linking its colonies from the south of Africa to those in the north. This seems unlikely, as in 1890 Germany already controlled German East Africa, now Tanzania, and Sudan was independent under Muhammad Ahmad. Rather, the British government was pressed into taking action by Cecil Rhodes, whose British South Africa Company was founded in 1888 south of the Zambezi and the African Lakes Company and British missionaries to the north."

2019-10-10 21:12:28 UTC  
2019-10-10 21:12:45 UTC  

@Mankn II what's that from tho

2019-10-10 21:13:05 UTC  

5m search

2019-10-10 21:13:08 UTC  

less than that

2019-10-10 21:13:16 UTC  

@Mankn II effective occupation is more claim than just exploring it

2019-10-10 21:13:20 UTC  

"but which the United Kingdom claimed on the basis of effective occupation."

Meaning the UK had de facto control anyway

2019-10-10 21:13:23 UTC  

Seems fair to me

2019-10-10 21:13:36 UTC  

Cecil Rhodes got there 3 years earlier

2019-10-10 21:13:38 UTC  

In 1887

2019-10-10 21:14:41 UTC  

- Portugal sends explorers and army divisions into the land
- Portugal beats the natives
- British decide they want the land
- British send an ultimatum to their own ally

2019-10-10 21:14:59 UTC  
2019-10-10 21:15:04 UTC  

our map was made in 1886

2019-10-10 21:15:09 UTC  

wtf are you on about

2019-10-10 21:15:16 UTC  

Effective occupation buddy

2019-10-10 21:15:19 UTC  

We occupied it

2019-10-10 21:15:25 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/604498877231529985/631963019148001304/Mapa_Cor-de-Rosa.png

2019-10-10 21:15:26 UTC  

you didnt

2019-10-10 21:15:31 UTC  

you sent an Ultimatum

2019-10-10 21:15:34 UTC  

we left

2019-10-10 21:15:34 UTC  

From your own extract
"the United Kingdom claimed on the basis of effective occupation."
"claimed by Portugal on the basis of historical discovery and recent exploration"

The UK's claim is stronger

2019-10-10 21:15:37 UTC  

then you sent people in

2019-10-10 21:15:42 UTC  

E T E R N A L A N G L O

2019-10-10 21:15:44 UTC  

"the United Kingdom claimed on the basis of effective occupation."

2019-10-10 21:15:47 UTC  

"CLAIMED"

2019-10-10 21:15:58 UTC  

By 1890 Rhodesia was already under the BSC's control

2019-10-10 21:15:59 UTC  

"EFFECTIVE OCCUPATION"

2019-10-10 21:16:10 UTC  

There was no effective occupation

2019-10-10 21:16:14 UTC  

...

2019-10-10 21:16:18 UTC  

we had a campaign against natives

2019-10-10 21:16:18 UTC  

Yes there was

2019-10-10 21:16:20 UTC  

I occupied your mother

2019-10-10 21:16:25 UTC  

Rhodes was already there

2019-10-10 21:16:25 UTC  

no there fucking wasnt

2019-10-10 21:16:30 UTC  

Occupying it

2019-10-10 21:16:38 UTC  

Rhodes got there in 1887

2019-10-10 21:16:45 UTC  

You are backtracking on claims you made like 5 seconds ago lmao

2019-10-10 21:16:49 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/604498877231529985/631963372002213898/Mapa_Cor-de-Rosa.png

2019-10-10 21:16:49 UTC  

And the ultimatum was after that @Mankn II

2019-10-10 21:16:59 UTC  

Theres our original map