Message from @KODIAK
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What a clown show... Sad for their loss but, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Of course the time in this case is being shot by someone protecting their life and their livelihood.
Anyone who knows anything about bump stocks knows they are fckin stupid. they change the whole way you fire and hold the gun and are incredibly awkward.
Also last week the ATF admitted they have no legal right to confiscate them
Bleezer, anyone who knows anything about gun control knows they will chip away until there are no rights left- Question is did Trump donate this pawn to win the war? Knowing that eventually it will be determined to be brought back and overruled.
Ya hes trolling them with it because he knows no one uses them and since theae idiots dont know any better anyway its a win
i think the agenda kicked in for removal of guns from public view after jfk's murder...the ds never lets a good crisis go to waste
Need help in debats: when some anti-2nd people argue that "most weapons you purchase, esp. automatic ones, are USELESS against professional armies the gov throw at you anyways, so its okay to ban them" What reasonings should we throw back at them ?
@Thoutzan My response is look what happened to every country where there guns were removed from the hands of citizens and socialism/progressive-ism turned into facism/communisim. Pol-Pot, Mao zeDung, Hitler, Stalin, all committed mass murder of their detractors. Do you realize the reason we are free is because we are armed? Also, the Iraq war, Afghanistan war both continue even though the dissidents are faced by superior fire power because they improvise, adapt and attempt to over come. Maybe it will be a losing battle against the US Military or maybe the US Military will not be shooting at the citizens as expected and will turn on those who are shredding the constitution the US Military have sworn to uphold and protect. Just a couple thoughts.
People can vote for socialism which will turn into communism but, we will have to shoot our way out of it. That's why they want our guns AND why they put this "we are hopeless against the US Military strength" meme. Blessings friend
@zeBond thanks ! You are absolutely right. In fact the meme is so ridiculous it's a fallacy by its own - 2nd amd says we can bear arms, then we can; no matter big or small, useful or useless, its our right to bear them and unconstitutional to ban them, simple and easy. People (surprisingly from both the left AND the right) are so brainwashed they bring up this meme over and over.
if they want to see profits of socialism and extreme gun laws ...tell the to look at calif or chicago...violent crime on the rise and extremely stupid laws on the books
@Thoutzan The "guns are useless against the military" argument is simply ignorant. Look at the fight the oeople in Iraq and Afghanistan put up with simple AKs (and IEDs). Its basically a doubke think, "The "assault rifle" is too deadly that you shouldn't own it" while at the same time, "Its not deadly enough to fight an army." As if soldiers are some sort of super human immune to civilian bullets. Maybe you alone couldn't fight off a military, but when all of us join together we become a militia quite capable of resisting an advance.
I meant to keep on the discussion but i was distracted by something else : @zeBond @one12alpha (TLI) @SirW00f cont'd our discussion - what do you think of banning accessories like bump stocks ? and what do you think of any gun laws in general ? Thanks !
@Thoutzan It seems to me gun laws, bump stocks, time delays from buying a gun being able to buy ammo for said gun, etc. are not used as a common sense restrictions but rather they serve as a sneak attack on the 2nd amendment. I would posit if the average citizen was armed there would be a lower crime rate as no reasonable person commits a crime when he thinks it could cost them their life, immediately; hence my argument for teachers who choose to be armed should allowed to be armed after proficiency is proved to the satisfaction of law enforcement. The bullies who attack schools will not be attacking any armed and dangerous teachers. As it stands in a majority of school districts, gun free zones are safe spaces for gun wielding bullies who didn't have the ability to work out differences with detractors IMO. What do you think?
And if the bullies don't know who is armed they will be double blinded and even more intimidated. JMO
I think I agree with you. that's why I see ban of bump stock as a sign of compromise or betrayal, while many anons will call me shill or argue that "bump stock / whatever assessors is useless hence it is okay to ban them"
Agreed. there are some who don't regard bump stocks as important and some who feel they are beneficial to accuracy. Similarly magazine size is important to some and not others. Sights have many different styles. Some are better for one, others are better for others. I don't know if a bump stock is preferable to me but, today it's bump stocks tomorrow it's lazer sights, then it's a certain style of scope, then one day you have to manually load one cartridge at a time effectively turning your AR15 into a single shot rifle. Not much of a defense weapon or equalizer when you are faced with defending your family from multiple criminals. My argument is who cares if someone calls me a shill or if some goofball thinks a bump stock is useless, it's not useless to someone and to argue that way is to lay down and let progressives take your gun rights away a little at a time. Soon we would look forward to being a third world Socialist country like Venezuela and have no way to defend ourselves from the gangs roaming the streets. Make sense?
thats exactly my thoughts. Thanks.
Sounds like my position in this is that of being a brother from a different mother. 😄
@Thoutzan I honestly don't see a point to gun laws. The logic use to support them is inherently flawed. The idea is, that making guns illegal would prevent people from being killed. Problem is, killing people is already illegal. If that law, which can carry a penalty of death, isn't enough to stop someone, then what good does legislation pose in the first place? Its similar to the, drugs should be illegal because addicts rob people to buy drugs, argument. Our justice system lacks in both deterrence and in rehabilitation.
Generally Im pretty absolute about things. Either any an all guns or no guns (including accessories), any and all speach or no speach, any and all drugs or no drugs...anything between is a senseless waste of effort, as there's always just one more restriction needed, one more loophole to close or one more work around to exploit.
The new hot topic seems to be mental health. But, i feel like its an easy scapegoat. I could go on about the health care system for a good bit, it's my field of study. But I see it as, either you're aware of your actions and right from wrong, or you dont...again there's no room for inbetween there. When you stray from absolutes in the law, there's so much "what if" one could never have an answer for everything.
@one12alpha (TLI) what are your thoughts of Trump banning bump stocks but refuses to label Mosanto roundups ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/roundup-labels-trump-administration-says-it-wont-approve-glyphosate-warning-labels/
@Thoutzan even though you didn't ask me, it appears to be a mistake however, the President seems to be able to change his mind when presented with facts.
@Thoutzan no prob. We have a President who is great at changing his mind when he can be shown his mistake. That is what my point was intended to be not that you made a mistake. 😄
my thought process was : if bump stocks can be banned, then Mosanto Roundup can be labelled. If the admin refuses to label roundup, then they don't really care that much about normie's health (plus the fluoridation and chemtrials still going on for the last 3 years, and Trump's "go get ur vaxx shots" comment). If they don't care about normie's health that much, then Anons' "80% dark ops necessary" (Qposts #144 #189 #190) because "The complete picture would put 99% of Americans (the World) in a hospital. " (Qposts #111 #142) " is invalid, as it seems putting 1% of Americans to cancer is fine.
and i don't think a "stable genius" like Trump would make a mistakes on bumpstocks, vaxx and mosanto, given that he used to be a vaxx skeptic.
Your point does cause one to wonder if he says he is for something to get the Dims to run against it with reverse psychology. Your point is very clear to me and it does give one cause to pause and wonder.
"getting the dems to run against it" sounds a bit odd since i think it ll get more reps to go for it than dems to against it
Agreed. I'm not saying he IS doing that. Sometimes it does make me wonder which of these issues is he using as a reverse psy-op since they were for the wall until he was for it and tried to get it funded.
another layer of confusion to me is, Q post #142 "The truth would put 99% of people in the hospital. It must be controlled." So per Q human psyche is too weak to handle 80% of the truth, yet human psyche is strong enough to "do our own research" and the "mass awakening" is dependent on self-research
I won't base my strategy of GREAT AWAKENING on a weak minded group of humans to do "research on their own"