speaking as an American

the EU is far better

No it isn't

>the PRC rapes Muzzies in Xinjiang

>Social Credit System

The EU is disrupting the Democratic traditions of the UK, China has not done anything to damage democracy in the UK

>Winnie the Pooh is banned

>Peppa Pig is banned

The EU is doing nothing of the sort. @The Electric Lizard

It works in a way that undermines Democracy of the nation state

In what way? @The Electric Lizard

>hopefully Verhofstadt can leave his position at some point in the next 1000 years

It means that the people deciding our laws in the EU parliament will not be elected by our electorate and cannot be removed by our electorate

We vote in MEPs.

Only some

Whom have the ability to remove people.

And vote on all legislation.

Most are elected by other countries

Who can vote against our MEP's

I'd like to have the EU AND China fuck off a bit, I don't know why it has to be one or the other.

So? That's democracy @The Electric Lizard

We are an independent nation, We should not be forced to adopt policy because of people elected by other nations

> We are an independent nation

No we're not?

We're a member of the European Union.

We should be

We voted to be

Which is why i want to Leave

> We should not be forced to adopt policy because of people elected by other nations
We have the ability to implement policy as we see fit

As long as it meets some requirements

Policy that WE have the ability to veto.

European Communities Act makes the law passed by MEP's superior to our own

We can veto ANY EU legislation, if we don't, we're fine with it.

actually we did not vote to be part of the EU

Yet our PM has the ability to veto any legislation @The Electric Lizard

We did @wacka

This again lol

we joined the EEC ... and voted to stay in that

I have complete contempt for those wanting to allow 16-17 years old the vote, and EU nationals. Only British Adults should be allowd to vote. Either wait to be an adult, or become a British Citizen.

We can veto it, But our MP's have been shown to lie about their position on the EU so i wouldn't be surprised if against the publics wishes the Government decided to give away our veto

And then voted in governments and a parliament which accepted the expansion of the EU @wacka