Message from @ETBrooD

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2019-11-03 05:31:03 UTC  

? Maybe I did, chat has gotten a little chaotic

2019-11-03 05:32:07 UTC  

My argument is that we don't know which values illiterate people had, since they didn't express their values through time. They can learn chants all they want, that doesn't change the fact that they can't create a big library of personal values that would show their true diversity of thought.

2019-11-03 05:32:27 UTC  

So for us it is impossible to assume that they either did or didn't have diverse values.

2019-11-03 05:33:26 UTC  

Still wrong

2019-11-03 05:33:50 UTC  

Do you know how Grimms tales were made?

2019-11-03 05:33:56 UTC  

And what do they reflect?

2019-11-03 05:34:00 UTC  

No

2019-11-03 05:34:22 UTC  

I can vaguely remember a few of the stories

2019-11-03 05:34:41 UTC  

They were a collection of folklore of rural Germany, collected by the Grimm brothers

2019-11-03 05:35:28 UTC  

What they found was that these stories reflected many similar elements and often times contained missing links with Germanic Iron Age historical events

2019-11-03 05:35:55 UTC  

Which had been recorded elsewhere

2019-11-03 05:35:57 UTC  

"Many similar elements" does not equate to "values consistent through time"

2019-11-03 05:36:40 UTC  

It does tell us which values remained and which didn't, and couple it with historical events, you have the complete picture

2019-11-03 05:37:01 UTC  

No it doesn't tell us that, because it's only a collection, and it's not a word-for-word representation of any values

2019-11-03 05:37:25 UTC  

The main point is, there has always been a transmission of beliefs from the older generation to the younger, even when they were illiterate

2019-11-03 05:37:36 UTC  

It's also likely that the Grimm brothers put their own spin on the stories

2019-11-03 05:37:47 UTC  

So to sum it up, it proves nothing about consistent values

2019-11-03 05:38:28 UTC  

It proves that people propagated their beliefs regardless of literacy

2019-11-03 05:38:36 UTC  

Which is really a self evident point anyway

2019-11-03 05:38:57 UTC  

Propapagated their beliefs... through time?

2019-11-03 05:39:16 UTC  

So three or four generations later those beliefs would be consistent?

2019-11-03 05:39:30 UTC  

Across all or most people?

2019-11-03 05:40:19 UTC  

Mutations of beliefs occurred mainly through wars and other upheavals like famine

2019-11-03 05:40:25 UTC  

That's a non-answer

2019-11-03 05:40:45 UTC  

And even such events were recorded and passed down as folklore

2019-11-03 05:40:55 UTC  

*getting increasingly bored*

2019-11-03 05:41:46 UTC  

Not to mention, mutations didn't cause rapid changes. So for instance, it would be highly rare for a stable society to go from rejecting homosexuality to accepting it, unlike in today's post modern age

2019-11-03 05:41:56 UTC  

Aight, no answer then

2019-11-03 05:42:00 UTC  

I wanted to go to bed anyway, gn8

2019-11-03 05:42:09 UTC  

That's the answer

2019-11-03 05:42:13 UTC  

Nope it's not

2019-11-03 05:42:13 UTC  

Read again

2019-11-03 05:42:28 UTC  

Ok read it again, it's still a non-answer

2019-11-03 05:42:40 UTC  

> So three or four generations later those beliefs would be consistent?
> Across all or most people?

2019-11-03 05:43:13 UTC  

I provided the answer that it mutated very slowly, and only changed substantially if there were wars or other major events

2019-11-03 05:43:28 UTC  

Still a non-answer

2019-11-03 05:43:49 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/633967610706526210/640425881034031105/Screenshot_2019-11-03-01-42-43.png

2019-11-03 05:44:18 UTC  

@EmoGazebo And then one day, for no reason at all...

2019-11-03 05:44:47 UTC  

Don't worry, Hitler made sure no new Nazi uprising could happen in the coming decades

2019-11-03 05:45:00 UTC  

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