What you incentives, grows. What if we incentivised self-help rather than 'free-escapism'...

Oh wait, then the gov. wouldn't be able to justify diverting funds for rehabilitation centres that sustain users to year on out growing trends...

Seems like the more money we allow faceless institutions swallowing up, the worse we are on an individual level... Who'd have 'thunk'! <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201907111076211343-polish-court-refuses-to-expel-russian-dad-who-took-his-daughters-from-swedish-muslim-family/

I have a hard time being against this

Ford you're literally so dumb

Illegality of something doesn't stop it

The point of making things criminal is so that something *can* be done when things went *too far* in the first place

Your ethical position is that everything that remotely resembles degeneracy must be made illegal, even if it didn't actually cause added harm compared to a free society

Your mistake is to think that making things illegal *by itself* without *any nuance* turns a free society into a better one

It does not

If you lack nuance in law making then you have no place in law making

If you can't reason out your argument besides "muh degeneracy" then you have no place in law making

If your argument was compelling enough by itself then even more radically "conservative" people than you could turn your personal utopia into a nightmare even for you

Case in point, Muslim fundamentalists

Even some Christian fundamentalists would likely make life hell for you

And that'd be because your argument must be used consistently. And if it is used consistently, that's the inevitable outcome.

With a lack of nuance in our arguments we will never improve society.

As a 14-15 y/o I and a few dozen of my friends smoked dope, I myself smoked it for almost a year, and picked it up again several times later in life

We were caught by the police one day, but they didn't go hard on most of us. They only interviewed me and let me go. They even purposely set the date for my drug test to several months later so that all the toxins in my body would be swept out by that time (which almost backfired since I picked up the habit again later, but fortunately I was told how to detox in time again).

If this had been put on my criminal record, what good would that have done to me?

I can tell you: nothing

In fact it probably would've made things even worse

You people who think the law is the solution to everything, making things illegal that offend you, you seriously disgust me

You're a hammer, and everything is a nail

The spirit of the law is a critical aspect of jurisprudence.

Yes, the officers knew it's illegal, and the law clearly stated that there should be consequences. So they went easy on me on purpose.

I didn't know that back then, but when I remembered everything years later I realized how non-confrontational the one officer was towards me.

My point being when officers put themselves above the law, sometimes they're right.

They don't always skip the law to cause harm, sometimes it's to do a good deed.

And why, it's because the law is wrong. It can't be right. Because it's a sweeping generalization about a whole society.

The amount of nuance that would have to exist within law to make it actually good and fair would break the universe.

And this is why it's important that we do not allow lawmakers to just make everything illegal in the first place.

Most folks on here are too young to remember the days when, caught speeding on their way to the hospital, a husband and his wife about to give birth wouldn't be ticketed—they'd be offered a police escort.

Yep

It still happens, I'd wager, but nobody talks about it.

Correct, yep

And in fact, legality of certain degenerate behavior can actually improve things

And I'm not talking about the legality of transmitting HIV

That's a particularly stupid idea that went too far, I'd agree

Drugs should be legal, it's just you have to face the real-life consequences of having (over)indulged, or done so while at work, etc.