Message from @whiic

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2019-10-23 00:01:14 UTC  

Only if we accept your broken interpretation of his position on 'truth'

2019-10-23 00:01:28 UTC  

Even if he is breaking his own ideas, he's still a human being

2019-10-23 00:01:53 UTC  

I don't deny that. But how is my interpretation broken?

2019-10-23 00:03:12 UTC  

Because Peterson's idea of truth is two-fold. You have a literal and a figural truth. Her death is literal. Her death may in some sense not be figuratively true, since people will still remember her and she may in some sense continue to affect the world, *but* she is still literally dead. Both things are true.

2019-10-23 00:04:21 UTC  

But why do others have to **force** literal truth out of him since he seems to prefer figurative truth without exception?

2019-10-23 00:04:45 UTC  

Because he's an eccentric who's pretty bad at communicating his more cerebral ideas.

2019-10-23 00:04:51 UTC  

He understands literal truth to exist, but simple "truth" is always defaulted to figurative truth or Darwinian truth.

2019-10-23 00:04:52 UTC  

Honestly it's probably his worst trait

2019-10-23 00:05:50 UTC  

I've noticed the same with Hoffstadter, and maybe Plato? They communicate by way of circumnavigation, I think out of an expectation that their audience won't or can't 'get' their point straight out.

2019-10-23 00:08:08 UTC  

how do you determine the truth of harder problems?
how should someone live?
the problem with your definition of truth is it does not work for all persons

2019-10-23 00:08:33 UTC  

Who's definition? Peterson's?

2019-10-23 00:08:43 UTC  

whiic's

2019-10-23 00:08:47 UTC  

Peterson admits his ideas only work in a Judeo-Christian framework

2019-10-23 00:08:56 UTC  

yes as are most western persons

2019-10-23 00:09:07 UTC  

I don't think "how should someone live" have a truth to it.

2019-10-23 00:09:18 UTC  

well is there a wrong way to live?

2019-10-23 00:09:27 UTC  

There are better and worse argumented opinions on it.

2019-10-23 00:09:48 UTC  

I disagree, I think there's an objectivity to the way people should be

2019-10-23 00:09:58 UTC  

But I don't think "how to live" has a truth statement to it like 1+1=2 or e=mc^2

2019-10-23 00:10:02 UTC  

I mean, people who live in the Western way are objectively doing better than Somalians

2019-10-23 00:10:22 UTC  

Objectively?

2019-10-23 00:10:29 UTC  

I think Somalians disagree.

2019-10-23 00:10:34 UTC  

Hence it's subjective.

2019-10-23 00:10:41 UTC  

then why do they all want to come here

2019-10-23 00:11:07 UTC  

Maybe they come to spread their superior life style?

2019-10-23 00:11:09 UTC  

I don't think somalians disagree

2019-10-23 00:11:17 UTC  

I do not think somalians are happy, or prosperous

2019-10-23 00:11:21 UTC  

Even in their ignorance

2019-10-23 00:11:40 UTC  

You don't have to be happy and prosperous to think you live proper lives according to God.

2019-10-23 00:11:42 UTC  

again there are some people (in somalia) that believe US (western) is better some who think western is worse

2019-10-23 00:11:44 UTC  

I think something is very rotten in the hearts of somalians, which is why theyhave a deep propensity towards violent nihilism

2019-10-23 00:12:01 UTC  

West is decadent land of shaytan.

2019-10-23 00:12:05 UTC  

you are treating people as monoliths

2019-10-23 00:12:10 UTC  

Some Mudslime might argue for examel.

2019-10-23 00:12:20 UTC  

Most Muslims prefer Saudi Arabia over USA.

2019-10-23 00:12:37 UTC  

How is USA **objectively** better than Saudi Arabia?

2019-10-23 00:12:51 UTC  

larger

2019-10-23 00:12:51 UTC  

Objectively includes also Islamic perspective.

2019-10-23 00:13:01 UTC  

you are robbing people of their agency.

the right way of living ones "life" is different for each person

2019-10-23 00:13:04 UTC  

Is larger objectively better?

2019-10-23 00:13:07 UTC  

Judeo-Christian teachings try to set people on a path of prosperity and inner happiness, divorced from physical materialism and with a strong moral compass (read: anti-nihilism). Which is why the Petersonian idea of reality works in Judeo-Christian cultures.