Message from @Doomed world
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A price worth paying for a unified, wealthy Europe?
I don’t see it working but I’ll accept that I can be wrong
It's currently working out.
Idk
I don’t see it working out
Even right now
It’s a noble goal
Europe is more prosperous than ever?
weez wants golden chains
There is an alternative perspective to view the matter, Snake.
Rather than State competition, you have competition on the level of individuals.
Because it can it can focus its economy on butter not guns
Lucky us.
We can expand it.
And then in the future, change the focus.
Towards military spending if we so choose.
Thus, the fundamental differences in objective and desires.
But at the moment it's in our best interest to unify Europe and make it wealthy.
You have Europeans in favor of State competition, who see the State as the pinnacle of their lives.
Then, you have Europeans who desire individualism.
Things which can obviously improve.
And has actually been improving for the majority of Europeans.
Correct, Weez.
This was the realization of the US centuries ago, in seeking to ratify the US Constitution.
In Jeremys example, obviously not everyone is the same, but the majority is significantly better than they were.
Which is what matters.
Well when I mean state action here’s the thing; there is always going to be a desire for a independent nation state. I think we can look at Yugoslavia, Croatia wanted its own state. Some of those individually minded people might think the EU is more like a super state consolidating power
Nationalism is what I mean
Finding the balance between federalization and states-rights is what's important
Social cohesion is also very important, it went down because of the migrant crisis
Thanks to American influence in the ME 😉
Economically speaking, you can find one of the greatest motives in the Interstate Commerce Clause, eliminating the ability for States to impose tariffs, which were causing artificial supply shortages and surpluses from State to State. During that time, artificial supply shortages meant each State was facing starvation due to some lacking ability to import goods from another State which had a surplus of said good, and vice versa. When it came to food, that meant surpluses rotted away to waste, while your next door neighbor starved to death.
Something a strong EU might have been able to influence
Well didn’t Merkel invite all of those people in?
*Kinda* but not really
The thing is that my main criticism of the EU is that the people in power
She invited in the migrants which were already in Europe, to Germany
Not necessarily the idea of the system itself
We have both a system and the people, it might be a good car with a shitty driver