Message from @Doomed world

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2019-09-15 23:48:39 UTC  

A price worth paying for a unified, wealthy Europe?

2019-09-15 23:48:40 UTC  

I don’t see it working but I’ll accept that I can be wrong

2019-09-15 23:48:46 UTC  

It's currently working out.

2019-09-15 23:48:53 UTC  

Idk

2019-09-15 23:49:00 UTC  

I don’t see it working out

2019-09-15 23:49:08 UTC  

Even right now

2019-09-15 23:49:19 UTC  

It’s a noble goal

2019-09-15 23:49:25 UTC  

Europe is more prosperous than ever?

2019-09-15 23:49:30 UTC  

weez wants golden chains

2019-09-15 23:49:32 UTC  

There is an alternative perspective to view the matter, Snake.

2019-09-15 23:49:48 UTC  

Rather than State competition, you have competition on the level of individuals.

2019-09-15 23:49:55 UTC  

Because it can it can focus its economy on butter not guns

2019-09-15 23:50:06 UTC  

Lucky us.

2019-09-15 23:50:09 UTC  

We can expand it.

2019-09-15 23:50:14 UTC  

And then in the future, change the focus.

2019-09-15 23:50:21 UTC  

Towards military spending if we so choose.

2019-09-15 23:50:36 UTC  

Thus, the fundamental differences in objective and desires.

2019-09-15 23:50:39 UTC  

But at the moment it's in our best interest to unify Europe and make it wealthy.

2019-09-15 23:50:56 UTC  

You have Europeans in favor of State competition, who see the State as the pinnacle of their lives.

2019-09-15 23:51:19 UTC  

Then, you have Europeans who desire individualism.

2019-09-15 23:51:36 UTC  

wealth unless your on the Mediterranean

2019-09-15 23:51:56 UTC  

Things which can obviously improve.

2019-09-15 23:52:11 UTC  

And has actually been improving for the majority of Europeans.

2019-09-15 23:52:15 UTC  

Correct, Weez.

2019-09-15 23:52:36 UTC  

This was the realization of the US centuries ago, in seeking to ratify the US Constitution.

2019-09-15 23:53:14 UTC  

In Jeremys example, obviously not everyone is the same, but the majority is significantly better than they were.

2019-09-15 23:53:17 UTC  

Which is what matters.

2019-09-15 23:53:35 UTC  

Well when I mean state action here’s the thing; there is always going to be a desire for a independent nation state. I think we can look at Yugoslavia, Croatia wanted its own state. Some of those individually minded people might think the EU is more like a super state consolidating power

2019-09-15 23:53:42 UTC  

Nationalism is what I mean

2019-09-15 23:54:05 UTC  

Finding the balance between federalization and states-rights is what's important

2019-09-15 23:54:30 UTC  

Social cohesion is also very important, it went down because of the migrant crisis

2019-09-15 23:54:42 UTC  

Thanks to American influence in the ME 😉

2019-09-15 23:54:45 UTC  

Economically speaking, you can find one of the greatest motives in the Interstate Commerce Clause, eliminating the ability for States to impose tariffs, which were causing artificial supply shortages and surpluses from State to State. During that time, artificial supply shortages meant each State was facing starvation due to some lacking ability to import goods from another State which had a surplus of said good, and vice versa. When it came to food, that meant surpluses rotted away to waste, while your next door neighbor starved to death.

2019-09-15 23:54:52 UTC  

Something a strong EU might have been able to influence

2019-09-15 23:55:11 UTC  

Well didn’t Merkel invite all of those people in?

2019-09-15 23:55:15 UTC  

The exact same thing is in the EU. @Jeremy

2019-09-15 23:55:28 UTC  

*Kinda* but not really

2019-09-15 23:55:34 UTC  

The thing is that my main criticism of the EU is that the people in power

2019-09-15 23:55:40 UTC  

She invited in the migrants which were already in Europe, to Germany

2019-09-15 23:55:42 UTC  

Not necessarily the idea of the system itself

2019-09-15 23:56:37 UTC  

We have both a system and the people, it might be a good car with a shitty driver