Thats pretty weird

No because it's animal cruilty

Not really

How would you like 6,000 volts of electricity going through your body?

I've used my dogs collar on myself

It also beeps near the perimeter

So he knows when hes somewhere he shouldnt be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MhmWnCpjVw

Its so he does't run into traffic

I probably wouldn't, but I don't care what an animal 'wants' @James Rimor

Negative reinforcement doesn't work in training animals

Works well historically.

He only ever got shocked once

He knew from that point on

The beeping is unpleasant to them as well

Oh yey so on top of the electrical shock they get a painful beep as well

So they'll learn not to trigger the thing that hurts them

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Its not painful just unpleasant

I've studied animal behaviour and training for 5 years, if I want a dog to do something I reward it for the action. So now both my dogs will do exactly that without the fear of being punished

Carrot is better then stick

But in this case youre avoiding a negative action

You have to have negative reinforcement reserved for bad things

You're not because it's still receiving the beep what you yourself said is unpleasant, therefore the beep is also the stick

Even if it's just "no" in a stern voice

Negative reinforcement is never acceptable

But it worked

You ignore bad behaviour so it isn't reinforced, if you acknowledge the behaviour the dog will know that it gets attention

Yes it may work but the method to getting it to work is barbaric and cruel

Its not cruel

Its like raising a child

"barbaric and cruel"

So?

You cant only be positive

If you or me zapped a child with 6,000 volts of electricity we'd be in jail

If your child doesnt something bad you cant allow that

Nice goalposts

Animals aren't the same as children. @James Rimor

Are you vegan? @James Rimor

Like take horses for instance

Horses get negative reinforcement for being aggressive with other horses