Message from @James Rimor

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2019-09-21 22:10:52 UTC  

Look very simply people should be allowed to say whatever they want, There should be no speech codes whatsoever, and i believe the US is closer to this then the UK

2019-09-21 22:11:06 UTC  

The us has more freedom units per capita than the uk

2019-09-21 22:11:19 UTC  

The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 inserted Section 4A into the Public Order Act 1986. That part prohibits anyone from causing alarm or distress.

2019-09-21 22:11:23 UTC  

Well inciting violence should still be a crime

2019-09-21 22:11:24 UTC  

This is from the UK

2019-09-21 22:11:37 UTC  

Inciting distress is a crime under this

2019-09-21 22:11:45 UTC  

It shouldn't be

2019-09-21 22:12:06 UTC  

person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he—

(a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
(b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

2019-09-21 22:12:12 UTC  

Depends on the level of distress which is the issue

2019-09-21 22:12:17 UTC  

^

2019-09-21 22:12:27 UTC  

They are basing a conviction based purely on intent

2019-09-21 22:12:33 UTC  

And you’d need evidence to support that intent

2019-09-21 22:12:39 UTC  

Who can ever determine intent?

2019-09-21 22:12:54 UTC  

You can't it is based purely on the opinion of the Judge

2019-09-21 22:13:01 UTC  

Which is why it's hard to be convicted of hate speech

2019-09-21 22:13:08 UTC  

That law is so vague

2019-09-21 22:13:12 UTC  

Yep

2019-09-21 22:13:16 UTC  

Ye

2019-09-21 22:13:18 UTC  

The Dankula case if the problem

2019-09-21 22:13:24 UTC  

Oh definitely

2019-09-21 22:13:26 UTC  

Literally anything can be insulting, it's up to an individual's opinion

2019-09-21 22:13:44 UTC  

Convicting people over jokes is a bad case to go especially in the UK legal system

2019-09-21 22:13:46 UTC  

Dankular should have been classed as comedy/satire

2019-09-21 22:13:55 UTC  

Which is protected

2019-09-21 22:14:06 UTC  

That my friends is a precursor to a 1984 style world

2019-09-21 22:14:17 UTC  

Because the UK uses common law the Dankula case can be used as a precedent to arrest other comedians

2019-09-21 22:14:25 UTC  

Hence why a rapper can hold up Boris' bloody head and call it a joke

2019-09-21 22:14:36 UTC  

Surely that is a crime

2019-09-21 22:14:47 UTC  

Apparently not for him

2019-09-21 22:14:49 UTC  

certainly causing distress

2019-09-21 22:14:52 UTC  

With intent

2019-09-21 22:15:03 UTC  

He's rich and powerful whereas we're not

2019-09-21 22:15:13 UTC  

But i doubt the police care enough

2019-09-21 22:15:18 UTC  

Yup

2019-09-21 22:15:18 UTC  

unlike in the Dankula case

2019-09-21 22:15:31 UTC  

Because dankular is a commoner

2019-09-21 22:16:09 UTC  

It's all about class, status, power and money

2019-09-21 22:16:16 UTC  

The law is far to vague too

2019-09-21 22:16:20 UTC  

It always has been

2019-09-21 22:16:52 UTC  

Who determines what insulting behaviour is?