Not completely free

But freer

Exactly not completely free

So you're never free

Thus freedom is an illusion

We can never be completely free

Due to the illusion of Free will like i said before but we can be free from governments

One is achievable the other isn't

free will exists in the same way freedom does

So we should still seek to achieve one

Ahahah you're in a bit of a loop there lizard

You said we can be free of government when you said we can't

We can never be completely free however this shouldn't stop us from trying to increase our freedom through reductions in Government

We can be free from governments

I referred to Free Will being an illusion that we can't get rid of

Can we be free from infringements by our fellow man at the same time?

I'd say governments actually give us more freedom

How?

They just restrict things

emergency services for one

Less Government = More Freedom

and vice verse

Well in your system id have to pay for uni myself however in the current system government pays for me to go to uni this making me freer

That it not freedom it is reliance

In your system id have to pay for health care but in this system I don't

I'm still freer

As in your system I'm reliant on cash

You are forcing the Doctor to help you without pay and the Uni to accept you without pay

That is not freedom

That is just servitude to the State

both those things get paid

For the businesses at least

By the State

Yours is servitude to the corporation

Through your money

Same to you

You are paying for it anyway

Yeah, there's just no middle-man of government

The State is just taking your money to pay for it

Yes but it's easier and freer

Thus they are not increasing your freedom in any way that you couldn't do yourself