Message from @OneTrueGod

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2019-09-21 12:56:23 UTC  

Anyway, fathering adopted children is only "being a cuck" if it isn't advantageous to your genes or your culture somehow. And by "your genes" I mean the larger pool of people in some way related to you. If someone (in Slovenia) told me they were adopting Ukrainan orphans, fine, not a cuck, they're fellow Slavic people, similar customs, similar religion, ... If they adopted subsaharans ... Extreme Cuckoldry

2019-09-21 12:57:49 UTC  

I would point out that behavior patterns can be inherited, these can be passed on through generations

2019-09-21 12:58:30 UTC  

> I would point out that behavior patterns can be inherited, these can be passed on through generations

Citation needed

2019-09-21 12:58:50 UTC  

I'm willing to concede if you can prove it

2019-09-21 12:59:03 UTC  

Aggression has been bred out of several species, domestication of animals, no need to cite a source, just like water is wet

2019-09-21 12:59:12 UTC  

Humans are no different

2019-09-21 12:59:27 UTC  

No, humans are quite different

2019-09-21 12:59:45 UTC  

Come on, I asked for a citation

2019-09-21 12:59:46 UTC  

More cognitive, but we aren't from another planet

2019-09-21 12:59:58 UTC  

Surely it's massively researched

2019-09-21 13:00:03 UTC  

No, its not

2019-09-21 13:00:14 UTC  

So, you're saying you don't have evidence...

2019-09-21 13:00:42 UTC  

Animal domestication is much more different from behavioural patterns

2019-09-21 13:00:46 UTC  

Why would there be, can you find a study on human behavior that isn't circumstantial

2019-09-21 13:00:58 UTC  

Aggression was bred out of them

2019-09-21 13:01:20 UTC  

Hence, aggressive behavior can be passed on in one form or another

2019-09-21 13:01:43 UTC  

As can passivity

2019-09-21 13:02:04 UTC  

Also, knowledge, in some species

2019-09-21 13:02:35 UTC  

I think if you say "citation needed" for eveything, you are being a bit closed minded

2019-09-21 13:02:36 UTC  

These things are extremely complex

2019-09-21 13:02:44 UTC  

Indeed

2019-09-21 13:02:48 UTC  

@B[] Unless you've got the genome completely mapped out, you can't say for certain that the differences would only be "some small changes in appearance related DNA". Also, it doesn't make much sense that only appearance would've been affected since there is really only one enviromental factor in prehistoric times leading up to today where appearance might've granted a survival edge, and that would be the relative sunlight exposure (black skin protects better against high sun exposure, white skin allows for more absorption of sunlight in places that have fewer hours of sunlight of the year).

But there were so many more factors to take into account which has influenced the survival strategies and ways of thinking with prehistoric tribes than just sunlight.

The fact that we can interbreed "without issue" (disputed claim, but I'll go with it for the moment) doesn't prove anything, since humans could interbreed with far more removed variants of hominids, like the fact that white people are a result of hybridization between homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis, while black people have no genetic trace markers from homo neanderthalensis at all.

Neanderthals where further genetically removed from homo sapiens, in pre historic times than white people are today from black people, yet they could still interbreed.

2019-09-21 13:02:51 UTC  

Domestication is something completely different

2019-09-21 13:03:27 UTC  

There are literally genetic markers in some animals that control aggression (hence floppy ears)

2019-09-21 13:03:37 UTC  

Its behavior being changed through generations, if behavior couldn't be passed on, aggressive species would stay that way

2019-09-21 13:03:51 UTC  

Sharing knowledge is a completely different thing again

2019-09-21 13:04:10 UTC  

Not entirely, there will be mechanisms for it that we know nothing of

2019-09-21 13:04:33 UTC  

Recent research also suggest that behaviour and even memories are inherited https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/ancestors-genetic-memories-passed-on-14-generations/

2019-09-21 13:05:11 UTC  

If you make a flatworm learn a maze, grind it up, feed it to another flatworm it will complete the maze as if learned, they manage to process memory by digestion

2019-09-21 13:05:26 UTC  

so its not out of the question

2019-09-21 13:06:17 UTC  

"This particular study looked at C. elegans nematodes, types of roundworms with very short lifespans. The researchers genetically engineered them to carry a glowing gene, a protein that fluoresced, so they could track it under UV light.

They then placed the worms in a cold environment and watched as the gene glowed, but dimly. Moving them to a warm environment, they saw the gene glow far more brightly. When they were moved back to the cold room, the gene continued to glow, which suggested the “memory” of the warm environment was maintained.

Incredibly, when these worms reproduced, this memory, via this glowing gene, was passed on through an unprecedented 14 generations, no matter whether they received it via eggs or sperm. This means that their offspring would be “aware” of the warm environment even without having experienced it themselves."

2019-09-21 13:06:46 UTC  

That's cool

2019-09-21 13:09:08 UTC  

I don't like cross correlations between race and intelligence

2019-09-21 13:09:29 UTC  

Its too complex a thing

2019-09-21 13:12:11 UTC  

@Seven Proxies

> Unless you've got the genome completely mapped out, you can't say for certain that the differences would only be "some small changes in appearance related DNA". Also, it doesn't make much sense that only appearance would've been affected since there is really only one enviromental factor in prehistoric times leading up to today where appearance might've granted a survival edge, and that would be the relative sunlight exposure (black skin protects better against high sun exposure, white skin allows for more absorption of sunlight in places that have fewer hours of sunlight of the year).

I obviously don't have the human genome mapped out, and of course if I did, I wouldn't have the ability to comprehend it in a meaningful way. But, what I can do is look at how long it took for other features to develop and hypothesise about how long it would take to make significant changes to the brain.

From an evolutionary perspective, all races pretty much faced the same types of hunter/gatherer survival scenarios where they had come down from their trees and began to make tools. There's not much reason for them to have massively changed.

> The fact that we can interbreed "without issue" (disputed claim

2019-09-21 13:12:13 UTC  

Disputed by who? I'm talking strictly from a "does a valid baby get made" perspective, not any social issues you may or may not have.

> doesn't prove anything, since humans could interbreed with far more removed variants of hominids, like the fact that white people are a result of hybridization between homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis, while black people have no genetic trace markers from homo neanderthalensis at all.

They were still quite close.

> Neanderthals where further genetically removed from homo sapiens, in pre historic times than white people are today from black people, yet they could still interbreed.

It's because they weren't massively different. If you can still breed with another race/species, then your genetic markers haven't changed too much.

2019-09-21 13:13:09 UTC  

@OneTrueGod Of course it is. But it has to be put in there if someone argues that the only differences between races are "appearance based".

Now while the exact cause of IQ differences is yet to be pinned down, the fact that differences do exist also makes it impossible to claim that the only differences between races are appearance related.

2019-09-21 13:14:07 UTC  

Well, as a baseline, I think the west produced more intelligence, just by comparing technological progress by orders of magnitude

2019-09-21 13:14:23 UTC  

but that could be due to location and resources

2019-09-21 13:14:49 UTC  

@OneTrueGod You quoted ILFS... But anyway, it just sounds like a hormone is affecting growth, in the same way oestrogen does in human babies: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6335/320