Jym actually studies evolution rather than searching studies for the word 'race' and trying to build a theory using that limited data set...

We're not talking about sports, there are clearly physical differences.

@B[] Unknown at the moment, since the neurobiologists do not fully understand how the entire brain anatomy works

But what you still haven't answered is what brain differences stop a person from a different race from sharing your ideological and cultural identify.

*identity

@B[] Yes we are, because you're presenting a somewhat preposterous argument that you concede that people of different races can have vast genetic differences in terms of physical ability which grants benefits and drawbacks in things like sports. But for some reason you also oppose the idea that such differences might exist within the brains of different races.

Can't you see how illogical this assumption is?

What is it about the human brain, in your view, that makes it so special and "separate" form everything else about the human body and how it develops and how it is influenced by race?

I said earlier there might be small difference, but from an evolutionary perspective, the environment may have been different but the problem solving was essentially the same

Also, the brain is incredibly hard to evolve, a bunch of your neurons are hyper-specialised, they can't just be swapped out so easily

And I say, you can't quantify the difference. I can't either. I'll be honest about that.

Even your concept of 'race' is wrong here. The fastest runners are not 'African' they come from a specific small region of East Africa.

That's like calling red-hair 'European'

But the fact that there are certain measurable differences should provide ample incentive for further study AND dismiss the premature assumption that there are no differences whatsoever between the biological brains, and thus the manifested behaviours of people from different races.

We need to know more, and should know more before reaching any such conclusions.

It occurs on that continent but is not dominant throughout the continent.....

@Jym Well can you name me any other place in the world where you'd find native red heads?

@Seven Proxies All you have to do is find me a study that shows a race is fundamentally incapable of learning a cultural/ideological behaviour, and then I'll concede there may be grounds to not inter-breed

It doesn't even matter if there are massive brain differences (which there are unlikely to be)

That's a category error M8 as I explained before you asked. Unless you are saying that people without red hair are not European your bit about runners is a mute point.

@B[] Erm, that was never your argument to begin with. You've presented it just now. And I've never once claimed that a person from one race is fundamentally incapable of learning a cultural or ideological behaviour from another

The argument you were making originally was about not having races breed with one another, you need to provide evidence as to why not

Otherwise it's pure speculation

@B[] Quote me. Where did I make an argyment against having races breed with one another.

I know you find my opposition to your arguments frustrating, but I would ask that you tone down the projection and the strawmanning please

@Jym So, do you argue that my statement that the fastest runners are african to be a false statement? Are they not african?

Okay, i misspoke, your argument was about there being some tangible difference, but this was seemingly in defence of a statement made by somebody previously about not mingling inter-race

@Jym Feels a bit like you're just being nitpicky about how specified I was, more than having an actual disagreement

@Seven Proxies

Are people with red hair not European? And yet *most* Europeans do not have red hair.

We could use (for running) the category of Mediterranean (based on proximity to that body of water) and group southern Europeans and Northern Africa and call them a group. It would be more valid than saying it was an African trait.

@Seven Proxies Please cite me some tangible difference in behaviour that were caused by nature rather than nurture, I don't want you to map the human genome or do brain scans

@B[] Fair enough.

If you want me to give my own views though, then I'll do so. I think that for the most part, racial loyalty is only natural and mostly beneficial for the individual for psychological reasons.

People are limited by the confines of their own psychology and behaviour at the end of the day, and one such limitation is the fact that people of the same race have an easier time identifying with and empathizing with eachother than they have of people of different races. And this is scientifically proven in several studies.

The more harmonious and peaceful societies tend to be monoracial, whereas societies exhibiting the most instability and cultural strife tend to be multi-racial and multi-ethnic. Either by accident or by design.

So IN GENERAL, it's best to keep races and ethnicities separate, because the idea of trying to "promote" interbreeding will never work on a large scale. It is more likely to cause backlash and entrenched positions than promoting pro-social behaviour across racial and ethnic borders.

@Seven Proxies

> If you want me to give my own views though, then I'll do so. I think that for the most part, racial loyalty is only natural and mostly beneficial for the individual for psychological reasons.

You continue to make grand unsupported statements...

> People are limited by the confines of their own psychology and behaviour at the end of the day, and one such limitation is the fact that people of the same race have an easier time identifying with and empathizing with eachother than they have of people of different races. And this is scientifically proven in several studies.

In the same way most guys go for somebody who reminds them of their mothers, you tend to stick with what you know.

> The more harmonious and peaceful societies tend to be monoracial, whereas societies exhibiting the most instability and cultural strife tend to be multi-racial and multi-ethnic. Either by accident or by design.

Have you visited the Middle East?

> So IN GENERAL, it's best to keep races and ethnicities separate, because the idea of trying to "promote" interbreeding will never work on a large scale. It is more likely to cause backlash and entrenched positions than promoting pro-social behaviour across racial and ethnic borders.

I'm not promoting it, I'm just saying it's okay. We shouldn't push for it, but at the same time if it happens naturally, it's not inherently bad.

The middle east is very multi racial and multi ethnic. We can "thank" Islam for that.

"Racial loyalty" is a horribly bad take on how the Hamilton inequality works. Think this through for almost all of human evolution nobody ever met anyone of a different race. The adaptation to distrust other races would be useless.

Say you have two variants. Homo Sargonis and Homo Taylor. Both in primeval Europe. Homo Sargonis is positive toward people with the same cultural expressions (clothing, jewelry etc) and Homo Taylor is positive to those with the same skin color. Homo Sargonis treats those with the same cultural affinities in his tribe favorably and fears the tribe over the hill (which is phenotypically indiscernible from his own)

Homo Taylor dies tragically by being brained by a neighboring tribesman who has the same skin color while pensively searching for darkie invaders.

No I didn't mean to suggest you were promoting it. It was just a general caution against it.

I'm not arguing that it should be outright forbidden. However I do argue against having things like open borders and letting massed amounts of foreigners enter other countries unobstructed and being given full access to the host societies.

I also argue for keeping some tabs on the few biracial relationships that do happen to check for signs of strife or discord.

If you're a white man marrying a black woman from another country and all she really wants is to integrate in the native white society, conforming to their norms, laws and culture then that's all fine and dandy.

But if she's planning to introduce her idea of "Blackness" to society and act like some political firebrand, then there should be laws permitting her extradition even if it means breaking up the marriage.

"But if she's planning to introduce her idea of "Blackness" to society and act like some political firebrand, then there should be laws permitting her extradition even if it means breaking up the marriage."

This goes a bit far but I would agree that WNs should be banned from entering my country in the first place.....

They are low-IQ savages incapable of adapting to our civilization.

And yes before you ask I would also disallow ethnats of other ethnicities.

> However I do argue against having things like open borders

Of course, borders need to be controlled for many reasons.

> I also argue for keeping some tabs on the few biracial relationships that do happen to check for signs of strife or discord.

In what sense?

> If you're a white man marrying a black woman from another country and all she really wants is to integrate in the native white society, conforming to their norms, laws and culture then that's all fine and dandy.

Of course, that's integration.

> But if she's planning to introduce her idea of "Blackness" to society and act like some political firebrand, then there should be laws permitting her extradition even if it means breaking up the marriage.

There should just be better vetting in the first place.

As I said from the beginning, having a child with somebody who is culturally and ideologically inline with yourself isn't the problem

Hey it's been fun guys but I should get some sausage and eggs and a shower. Lost an hour bullshitting on Discord already today.

lo @Jym

*lol