Moores law is in decline last time I checked

I don't think we have anything that can truly learn on its own. So far we've made programs that tell it _how_ to learn, not that it can just learn.

@Samaritan™ it's deterministic but the determinism is so minute that it's extremely difficult to emulate, so it appears nearly random
This is a big hurdle in emulating the brain, and also in understanding neurological processes

More specifically, programs that tell it _what_ to learn

Moore’s law isn’t that fucked right now

See AMD

It’s just harder to make die shrinks happen really which is what propelled it

@UnfilteredGarbage That is effectively my position on this

@Lios this. Deep learning is just efficiency-minded memorization and recall

And only on specific subjects

Well outside of what something one would call intelligence

Technological progression isn't at a consistent speed

Still kinda fast these past few decades

@Samaritan™ sure, but we're talking about getting around a basic limitation of physics in this regard

Its remarkable that its been getting faster and more complex at the same time I wouldn't be shocked if that hit a wall at some point

Well we seem to be hitting a wall on miniaturization at this point

Walls have been hit everywhere, and surpassed within the past 40 years on numerous subjects. That's the rate of our current technological advance.

Once again my point exactly @UnfilteredGarbage

We're almost overdoing it

Hitting a wall or lacking the materials

https://www.wired.com/story/even-huge-molecules-follow-the-quantum-worlds-bizarre-rules/

Lacking the ability to work with the materials

Quantum computing is how we get around the wall, but that's theoretical right now

Carbon nanotubes could see us drop below 7nm easily

Nah, genuine walls. Inability to conceive of a method beyond the current one

Quantum computers exist do they not?

And yeah, carbon nanotubes aren't hitting a technological wall

Just a logistical one

That shit is fucking expensive and time-consuming to make

We need a production method for carbon nanotubes

Google claims to have built one lune

Engineers

Get on that shit

No evidence tho

Still not a technological wall

Things will eventually become so complex that it'll be a lot harder to actually progress because of that innate complexity

IBM have one you can play around with don’t they?

@Samaritan™ i don't think that's necessarily true

It is just not in the near future

The identification of carbon nanotubes as a breakthrough is still very recent