Message from @Win Roe

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2019-09-28 04:06:57 UTC  

all that matters is consistency of a label within an exchange

2019-09-28 04:06:59 UTC  

in your own words

2019-09-28 04:07:07 UTC  

if someone has an issue

2019-09-28 04:07:16 UTC  

i agree completely

2019-09-28 04:09:08 UTC  

negotiation of vocablulary between two people is far more important than using a proper definition. proper defintions will never be accurate enough to account for the subtle differences in the way each person conceptualizes a thing

2019-09-28 04:12:42 UTC  

In my view, "correctness" is an analog comparison of two variables. Something can be alittle correct and somthing else alittle more correct. But 'right/wrong' are discrete comparisons.

2019-09-28 04:14:01 UTC  

Also, an academic builds an interpretation off of definitions. The rest build interpretaions off of expereience and perception.

2019-09-28 04:15:22 UTC  

An interpretation of an ACTUAL thing made with one's senses is always more complete that an interpretation of someone else's account who developed the definition

2019-09-28 04:16:43 UTC  

When I said they build an interpretation of definitions I meant that you perceive the words as ideas, AKA their definition and build an interpretation off of that, the ideas you project onto the words are based off experience and perception

2019-09-28 04:17:00 UTC  

I just simplified it for the sake of brevity

2019-09-28 04:17:04 UTC  

Holy shit are we having an actual argument about semantics

2019-09-28 04:17:14 UTC  

maybe for the zoomers, this is so

2019-09-28 04:17:40 UTC  

Well I'm defending my intellect because Manimal means to demean me for failing a semantic argument @UnfilteredGarbage

2019-09-28 04:18:33 UTC  

but traditionally, you learn to identify those things you observe from each other FIRST assigning arbitrary labels THEN those labels are standardized into proper definitions

2019-09-28 04:18:43 UTC  

definitions are external

2019-09-28 04:18:52 UTC  

identities are intrinsic

2019-09-28 04:19:47 UTC  

To words

2019-09-28 04:19:49 UTC  

yes

2019-09-28 04:19:52 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613767975614283832/627358788231364608/image0.jpg

2019-09-28 04:20:11 UTC  

but the concept in your mind always varies somewhat from the label it is given. sometimes your concept has more detail than the proper definiton. sometimes less

2019-09-28 04:20:30 UTC  

Sometimes the label is just a label

2019-09-28 04:20:34 UTC  

id def muck some

2019-09-28 04:20:39 UTC  

yup. very true

2019-09-28 04:21:26 UTC  

Sometimes the label is a mislabel because circumstance rather than the regular.

2019-09-28 04:21:44 UTC  

sometimes the label is applied by a retard

2019-09-28 04:21:56 UTC  

and sometimes retard is a label

2019-09-28 04:22:03 UTC  

i think we both agree that Scale, for example, puts more emphasis on proper definitions than on the concepts being identified. thus the insistance that it is ALWAYS worth declaring something 'legal' or not even though there really is no reason

2019-09-28 04:22:07 UTC  

or a mislabel

2019-09-28 04:22:17 UTC  

Or an Ironic label

2019-09-28 04:22:25 UTC  

which would be an intentional mislabel

2019-09-28 04:22:50 UTC  

I think Scale is a mislabel

2019-09-28 04:23:20 UTC  

Turns out the entire label factory is ran by <:Tzeench:494567616372015114> .

2019-09-28 04:23:41 UTC  

in my view, getting the idea across and being understood as well as understanding the other person is MORE important than utilizing the proper label or term which may or may not be known by both parties

2019-09-28 04:23:42 UTC  

Sseth Tzeench?

2019-09-28 04:23:53 UTC  

<:sseth:600568879743500288>

2019-09-28 04:24:54 UTC  

Semantics are important

2019-09-28 04:25:08 UTC  

without meaning, all you have is syntax

2019-09-28 04:25:30 UTC  

syntax really is only important to autists

2019-09-28 04:25:53 UTC  

Unless it's really bad

2019-09-28 04:27:11 UTC  

academics are alot like post-modernists in that they insist on using external vocabularies even if they are overly complicated and not known by all parties. this is counter-productive and typically a way of just making themselves feel superior as the other doesn't know what they deem the proper term