Message from @Win Roe
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all that matters is consistency of a label within an exchange
in your own words
if someone has an issue
i agree completely
negotiation of vocablulary between two people is far more important than using a proper definition. proper defintions will never be accurate enough to account for the subtle differences in the way each person conceptualizes a thing
In my view, "correctness" is an analog comparison of two variables. Something can be alittle correct and somthing else alittle more correct. But 'right/wrong' are discrete comparisons.
Also, an academic builds an interpretation off of definitions. The rest build interpretaions off of expereience and perception.
An interpretation of an ACTUAL thing made with one's senses is always more complete that an interpretation of someone else's account who developed the definition
When I said they build an interpretation of definitions I meant that you perceive the words as ideas, AKA their definition and build an interpretation off of that, the ideas you project onto the words are based off experience and perception
I just simplified it for the sake of brevity
Holy shit are we having an actual argument about semantics
maybe for the zoomers, this is so
Well I'm defending my intellect because Manimal means to demean me for failing a semantic argument @UnfilteredGarbage
but traditionally, you learn to identify those things you observe from each other FIRST assigning arbitrary labels THEN those labels are standardized into proper definitions
definitions are external
identities are intrinsic
To words
yes
but the concept in your mind always varies somewhat from the label it is given. sometimes your concept has more detail than the proper definiton. sometimes less
id def muck some
yup. very true
Sometimes the label is a mislabel because circumstance rather than the regular.
sometimes the label is applied by a retard
and sometimes retard is a label
i think we both agree that Scale, for example, puts more emphasis on proper definitions than on the concepts being identified. thus the insistance that it is ALWAYS worth declaring something 'legal' or not even though there really is no reason
or a mislabel
Or an Ironic label
which would be an intentional mislabel
I think Scale is a mislabel
Turns out the entire label factory is ran by <:Tzeench:494567616372015114> .
in my view, getting the idea across and being understood as well as understanding the other person is MORE important than utilizing the proper label or term which may or may not be known by both parties
Sseth Tzeench?
<:sseth:600568879743500288>
Semantics are important
without meaning, all you have is syntax
syntax really is only important to autists
Unless it's really bad
academics are alot like post-modernists in that they insist on using external vocabularies even if they are overly complicated and not known by all parties. this is counter-productive and typically a way of just making themselves feel superior as the other doesn't know what they deem the proper term
