Message from @saru_richard

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2019-09-28 04:56:43 UTC  

Impossible

2019-09-28 04:56:49 UTC  

again....

2019-09-28 04:56:51 UTC  

I wish they could

2019-09-28 04:56:56 UTC  

I really do

2019-09-28 04:57:03 UTC  

not impossible

2019-09-28 04:57:07 UTC  

But I don’t think it’s possible

2019-09-28 04:57:09 UTC  

we did it for a LONG time

2019-09-28 04:57:19 UTC  

Pretty impossible, since history especially cannot be apolitical

2019-09-28 04:57:22 UTC  

It is the effort that matters, nothing is perfect

2019-09-28 04:57:45 UTC  

No, we didn’t. For a long time we all agreed on the ideology being taught.

2019-09-28 04:57:56 UTC  

That’s not the same as saying no ideology was being taught.

2019-09-28 04:58:00 UTC  

not in MY country

2019-09-28 04:58:11 UTC  

Ur USA, yeah?

2019-09-28 04:58:15 UTC  

You can achieve something approaching it on a small scale, but to scale it up to fit the American public education needs? And maintain that standard across the whole population?
No way. It's logistically impractical

2019-09-28 04:58:31 UTC  

USA, yes. and 'politics' is NOT 'ideology'

2019-09-28 04:58:41 UTC  

that's a false diacotomy

2019-09-28 04:58:58 UTC  

Politics is ideological in most of the population though

2019-09-28 04:59:12 UTC  

Rational politics is the exception, not the rule

2019-09-28 04:59:38 UTC  

we are a Democratic Republic. WE have elections. Any talk of candidates or who should be elected should be verboten

2019-09-28 04:59:55 UTC  

hence 'apolitical'

2019-09-28 05:00:18 UTC  

the USA is more pure republic than Democratic Republic

2019-09-28 05:00:29 UTC  

tangential

2019-09-28 05:01:27 UTC  

also @Scale_e, one way to counter bias is to ensure each person can recite BOTH sides of an argument as a qualification

2019-09-28 05:01:54 UTC  

@ManAnimal that doesn't make education apolitical, it just means it isn't biased in contemporary politics. These are two very different standards to uphold.

2019-09-28 05:03:01 UTC  

then i am confused as to your intent or rather you are confused at my intent when i suggest schools should be apolitical

2019-09-28 05:04:00 UTC  

You're just speaking too broadly
Obviously everyone agrees that schools shouldn't tell students how to vote, but there's going to be political ideas injected into the education even without that.

2019-09-28 05:04:03 UTC  

the intent is to insure that children aren't used as protestors or prevent the school of being used as a bully pulpit

2019-09-28 05:04:19 UTC  

Yeah, school-backed activism is cancer

2019-09-28 05:04:25 UTC  

avoiding contempoary politics acheives that end

2019-09-28 05:04:53 UTC  

Well not really, because history can't be taught without politically predisposing children to certain ideas.

2019-09-28 05:05:11 UTC  

Because history itself cannot be apolitical

2019-09-28 05:05:20 UTC  

again, nothing about that is contemporary

2019-09-28 05:05:55 UTC  

btw we should have a bot that at random post edgy jokes just so we can sniff out any journos that hang out here

2019-09-28 05:06:02 UTC  

you are teaching the children about the various ideas held in the past; this isn't a bad thing

2019-09-28 05:06:16 UTC  

you just can't apply them to present

2019-09-28 05:06:27 UTC  

you keep them in their historical context

2019-09-28 05:06:56 UTC  

@ManAnimal consider the inevitability that you will have to teach children at some point why a given political idea failed, though. That's going to create a political bias whether you want it or not.

2019-09-28 05:07:44 UTC  

@saru_richard or just call everyone niggers 😎

2019-09-28 05:07:45 UTC  

Communism failed *because* communism is a non-functional political concept. That's going to bias children against communism.

2019-09-28 05:07:55 UTC  

Etc etc

2019-09-28 05:08:10 UTC  

also, it IS possible to remove politics from school COMPLETELY and instead require a seperate forum of civics and politics such as a mandatory participation of 1 yrs hands on civics/gov after hs