they don't

As a result, the teacher has to waste their time disciplining the students because they don’t know basic, common sense rules like “don’t talk while the teacher is talking.”

@Little Boots sure, but that's secondary to the education system failing its basic responsibilities of producing valid social participants and securing economic futures for the kids

this is why u don't comprehend the left

this is why the left is the way they are

And also producing a homebrewed subversive 5th column

damn academics

they focus on the smarter kids and can't wrap their hands around the tougher nor more perceptive kids

@UnfilteredGarbage the education system is not meant to babysit children. The problem is dead-beat parents not giving a single shit about raising their kids and just dumping their students on the teachers so they have to be responsible for the child.

My mother is a teacher.

She has had to put up with this for decades now.

my grandmother was a teacher

She openly says that students now-a-day’s are worse than they were when I was going through the education system.

@Little Boots no of course not. The education system is meant to get students jobs. Which it is failing to do.
These are not exclusive issues, but one is a societal woe and the other is a symptom of a failed education system

And she places that squarely on the parents.

We can't pass laws or reforms that make parents not dogshit

and what you speak of resulted from women starting to work , community collapsing and parents choosing to beleive kids over teachers

We CAN fix education

that put teachers and parents at odds

@UnfilteredGarbage and that’s because they’re too busying spending time disciplining children than actually educating them. When a teacher has to waste ten minutes just telling the class to stop what they’re doing and actually listen to them, then that’s a problem of discipline.

and it meant there was no way to discplince the kids and the kids knew it

in my grandmother's day, this was COMPLETELY differnt

@Little Boots they have no intent to actually educate them. Public schools are not funded based on merit, and post-secondary education is entirely an economic scheme. There's no impetus to perform the intended function in either scenario.

The education system up until now was working pretty well. It’s when the new wave, garbage parenting came about, things began to take a nose dive.

the parents almost aLWAYS took the side of the teacher and trusted teachers to discpline accordingly

@ManAnimal back when parents gave a shit about their children.

that's overly simplistic

Which is what I’m getting at.

@Little Boots the education system was working pretty well up until the US became a service-based economy

parents sTILL give a shit

It’s not a teaching problem. It’s a basic parenting issue.

you've just never dealt with your counter-parts

@Little Boots it's both. And it's a structural problem, especially in post-secondary education

it's not a parenting problem; it's a LACK of parenting problem

cause parenting takes TWO people

Funny thing is I never had any issues because I simply behaved in class and did what was asked of me.

not one

then you've had it EASY

All the problems that came up all came from others refusing to follow some simple ass instructions and rules.

@Little Boots you sound like you have a very limited scope of understanding the problems with the US education system

It is very much a discipline issue.