Message from @Ironclad
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Considering they're using climate change as a means of establishing a dictatorship, to press x to doubt on their shit is perfectly fair. For fuck's sake, they're using children to get people to bend the knee.
Jesus
It's trying to get an emotional response instead of an intelligent one.
Stop with the fucking conspiracies
If they told us that they're in heavy talks with the biggest polluters, e.g. China, then I would trust our governments much more on climate change.
But instead they put the burden on the nations that contribute very little to the CO2 rise.
There's a difference between scientific consensus on impacts and what should be done to mitigate it and planet government control
And not just on the nations, but even the individuals that produce the least CO2.
Is it really a conspiracy to say that it's more than a bit fucked up to have a 16 year old with aspergers trying to tell you to 'stop polluting', but not bothering to try telling China or India?
Is it?
The biggest consumers are the middle classes of western counties, WHO DO YOU think China is producing products for?
And on top of all that, Germany is dismantling its nuclear plants, how does that make sense in regards to the CO2 issue? Shouldn't they be telling us that these plants are good for the environment?
"I think the skin cancer thing is more likely to be caused by granite than anything else."
That is so wrong it hurts
Consumers yes, but producers of pollution, no. If manufacturing was solely in the USA, they'd be the largest net contributor, but it'd still be way less than China's producing.
The radiation of granite is practically nothign
That's horse shit.
By the same rational, you should be able to produce studies correlating granite and skin cancer
If the EPA felt the need to publish something about granite COUNTERTOPS, then clearly they're a hazard.
So granite increases skin cancer in specifically Chile by over 30% coincidentally after the oxone hole in the southern hemisphere occureD?
It's probably part of it, yeah, it could very well be a huge contributor. It damn sure isn't the sun, there are way sunnier places than Chile.
Especially given that Chile is a mountainous region.
Do you have a source for the rock compositions of Chile?
Regardless, the only solution to 'stop consuming' is 'die'.
You're not wrong, but obviously that isn't the solution
The issue with climate change and resource shortages is that the solutions are just as complex as the issues
And equally as undesirable
What was the obvious solutions?
Reduced population = less resource requirement
That creates lots of issues
aging populations, impossible to legislate world wide
Luckily world fertility is decreasing with nearly all developed nations below replacement rate
@Ironclad
"It's probably part of it, yeah, it could very well be a huge contributor. It damn sure isn't the sun, there are way sunnier places than Chile.
Especially given that Chile is a mountainous region."
The sun is radiating radiation constantly, the radiation the the ozone hole is unable to reduce is predominately UV-b in relation to skin cancer. During the polar vortex, the ozone hole in the southern hemisphere gets much much larger and tendrils of this hole pass over Chile. Some of the first health issues of ozone depletion was a surge in skin cancer of Chile.
Trying to find a video that shows it
This is the best I can find
Chile is 80% mountain range, so that means that most of the country is in the higher parts of the atmosphere, so there's less protection from the sun. A lot of them are volcanic or formerly volcanic, so there's another major contributing factor. Honestly, you're not going to find any single given factor, but the incredibly volcanic nature of it alone means that place probably causes your Geiger counter to go off.
They're more likely to live on the coast then on the top of a mountain
As if that means anything, you do realize that a mountain has a tremendous effect on the local environment, right?
It's odd that you think this is exclusively a granite issue