Was that in China? I'm not sure

They do not give a single solitary fuck.

They clear and destroy habitat for economic returns, irreparable loss of diversity. but what can they do?

It was.

Well there's one thing that we in the west can do

Stop pretending that we're gonna save the planet, and just do what's best for us

Reduce the population?

Engage with China, do diplomacy, try politics

Well mostly just continue down the same road except without dogma taking over science

^

And we can do that if we stop blaming ourselves for all the world's big and small problems

Fuck reducing the population. Cripple China economically until they clean up their act. Don't trade with them until they reduce their emissions to rational levels. I shouldn't need SCUBA, Hazmat, or NBC gear to walk around their cities.

China is like that little brother who has some growing up to do and get off his pills, and that's how we should treat the situation

I'm just so sick of blaming myself, I've done enough of that

We've internalized self-blame to a sickening degree

Climate change is real, the consequences are real.
The issues are complex and the answers incredibly displeasing.

The reality is we're stuck in a position where cooperation is required and practically impossible. I don't think we'll do what we need to.

We do practically have everything we need to solve our problems

It's only required because we insist on playing nice.

I just don't think we 'can'

China does not respect us, and they will not respect us going forward, so what are we supposed to do?

The moment we stop playing nice, because the others are not playing nice, this will flip on it's head.

Christ

China doesn't respect themselves

China is souless

Either man-made climate change is real exactly as predicted and we have no chance anyway. Or it's not real and thank God.

^ Sadly the relative is probably not going to be the latter

Why can we not just accept the reality of the situation, maybe humanity is not meant to survive forever

Oof

But true

The most effective solutions to our problems is a MUCH smaller population

2 billion optimally?

But what you gonna do?

It'll happen eventually if we manage to survive somehow

It's not. Just like we didn't have an ice age.

You can just all have 1 child, the entire population will age and there will be like... 7 retirees per working youth.

You'd be in deep shit

Look at population pyramids

They'd die, it's not a real problem

https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2019/

People die anyway

The world is supposed to be frozen over right now, if we were to go by the estimates of 80 years ago.