have you ever sat an IQ test?

you mean take one?

no i haven't

yes

well it is in some ways exactly what you say it isn't

it's made up of several different factors, such as linguistic ability, spatial reasoning ability

and they're very highly correlated

linguistic ability

can you specify

so for example, I don't remember exactly since it was 10 years ago but 2 tasks are a vocabulary test, and another is spatial reasoning. I'll explain

they'll ask you to explain the definition of increasingly uncommon words

ok

starts with like dog and cat or whatever, goes up to "unstoppable" or "ubiquitous", and on and on

tell me, if you're a farmer who's never seen a school, how would you learn these increasingly uncommon words?

you have no incentive, and no way of learning it

spatial reasoning is rearranging blocks to fit a given pattern

yeah vocabulary is a poor measure of any sort of "general" intelligence imo

ye when even the racist says that

u know you're wrong

but then they change the rules unexpectedly and you have to kind of break the mould of your thinking, for example say you had 5 tasks to rearrange blocks with an explicit border around the outside then the 6th removed the border. it's an unfamiliar task and smarter people perform better at it

of course it is, 'general intelligence' helps find and retain vocab though

yeah, but if u never got the ability to learn this vocab

you're gonna be at a disadvantage because of economic reasons

sure

not because of genetic reasons

and for whatever reason, rearranging blocks is a really really good proxy for all sorts of things including mathematical ability

you never answered my question Vindi

obv you aint learning words that you never hear wt

yeah

it represents your ability to manipulate information with your mind

you can't train people to do this shit

im talking about the linguistic example

also yes you absolutely can

you can't take someone with downs syndrome and coach them to get a 160 on an IQ test

and it's not only vocab

yeah but you can train a normal person and help them get a higher IQ on the test

it's other things like verbal reasoning

so the thing is

as i said before

like you'll have to pick a word most similar

you cant do it with downies, but that's an extreme example