The reason to avoid socialism, and communism, is that planned economies, don’t, can’t, have never, will never work. You cannot replace a bottom up free market with top down control. No individual, nor any group of elites, can ever replace the hive mind of *millions* of citizens working in their own self interest.

this is true

@Scale_e - I disagree. It's more that the LIKELIHOOD of a planned economy blowing up in your face is so great, that it's not worth risking at the present moment.

@Scale_e Its a scale of more genuine Nationalism and honesty I guess. Its kind of hard to describe because its kind of esoteric. As in, "NeoCons" are further away from the truth and controlled opposition essentially; They pretend like they are supposed to be the socially right wing ones and patriotic but they really aren't. Alt Lite is closer to being the real thing, Alt Right is the real thing.

It’s not “likely”. It’s inevitable.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/388053990954369027/600520870213058610/allahu.webm

it is very difficult to keep any gov honest

and free markets dont' require oversight

everything else does

A socialist/communist system with Alexandria Occasio Cortez, Ilham Omar, and Joe Biden at the top would be a fucking catastrophe. A technocratic system might be less catastrophic, but I still don't trust the technocratic elites that we have at the moment. Even they are a little underqualified, based on what I've seen.

and the ALt right is NOT the real thing

you ignore the numersous people that don't talk; they act

the 'alt-right' is just the intellectual puppets

the mouth piece

Our current level of affluence, of food surplus, of... everything.... Exists because of free markets.
If you go to socialism quickly. You will quickly end up starving millions.
If you go towards socialism gradually, slowly, and carefully... you will gradually, slowly, and carefully... end up starving millions.
You cannot erode that which gave us our wealth, without also eroding our wealth.

exactly

For socialism to work, you'd have to manage an unprecedented level of complexity with uniquely talented leaders that can be trusted to not fuck shit up.

I don't currently believe that such conditions exist, at least for the nation-state scale, unless you're maybe Iceland. It's possible that socialism might work for a small, highly educated country, but not for any of the larger ones.

people make the argument of how many people capitalism killed

what they forget is the population BEFORE capitalism

2 billion in 1900

4 billlion 1985

“Uniquely talented leaders”
These people do not exist.
These people can not exist.
You are asking a man to be a god and rule you.

almost 8 billion in 2019

enabled by capitalism

@ManAnimal In terms of genuine Nationalists who have the interests of the actual people of that nation in their best interests yes they are.
I think you need to listen to more then. Most people who go on about "such and such being a shill" or whatever just don't know enough. None of the biggest figures who identify as Alt Right (Spencer, Mike Enoch, Eric Striker, etc) are faking their beliefs I can promise you that.

@Scale_e - I believe they can exist, but we haven't yet reached that level of quality in any education system. There are some private schools that come close, but even they have a ways to go.

I think you need to pay more attention to the peole that don't speak publically

they are hard working, blue collar, men's men

that don't speak until they have something to say

and would rather act than talk

There is no education system that can educate a man in a way that he could sufficiently replace the free market.
Again. You’re asking for an omniscient leader. It’s impossible.

yup

Also, I'm not asking men to be gods. I'm just asking for the state-appointed Walmart executives to be more competent than the ones we have now. I don't think that will ever happen under current sociopolitical conditions.

competence is irrelevant

and executioner can be competent

in fact competance usually leads to arrogance and abuse

It's very relevant, as is your guiding philosophy.

Capitalism has tons of externalities, which makes it theoretically weak because of cost-shifting problems.

Socialism is theoretically stronger, but in practice it has continually led to suboptimal results, especially famines.

Hey, I’d like better leaders, in general, too.
Not because it would enable a socialist society, merely because better leaders, with our current society would be better.

it's a matter of values (beleiving theyt SHOULD do the right thing) vs penalties for not doing the right thing

Imagine a relevant nigger

the US system is good because of checks and balances