Message from @Vir
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Best economics
well, in an unrestrained free market there is
“That’s not a bug, that’s a feature”
@Scale_e - If we're both on an insurance plan, I smoke and lie about my smoking to the insurance company, and get lung cancer, guess what? We're both paying for my smoking habit.
...and that's just one of countless externalities in the free market system.
Bioshock scenerio
Well Nazis and Commies are basicall the same because they arent me
blows a hole in the ancap ideal
but the market isn't a monolith
Video games aren't reality, and require even less reasoning than a book does
Terrible example
you can assign values to social things as well
Someone who keeps a beehive on their farm ends up increasing the productivity of all nearby farms, but because those farms are not paying for the beehives the economic value of beekeeping in a free market system will always be less than its true value.
i.e.subsidize and tax
And apparently bioshock refutes capitalism
Fucking lmao
these are government and community mechanisms that can leverage off the free market mechanisms
@OsMosler that describes this entire conversation
The market is not some supernatural force that cant be messed with at all though
well that idea has been totally lost
@ManAnimal - Yeah, but even personal choices play a role.
Someone who lifts a lot, doesn't smoke, and works at FedEx will tend to be more productive than someone who sits on the couch when they get home and goes through a pack of cigarettes.
if gov or community comparmentalizes an activity so that money collected applies directly to a related activity, the market helps that social cause along
but it has to be done right
@Vir - The state can, and that would give the commies exactly what they want.
The problem is the state would fuck it up, and in the shitshow millions of people would starve.
and can't be used as a piggy bank
Wait your not @Lucienne d'Anwyl
I feel retarded now
no it would give the commies what they want. the most ruthless would be given control over millions without consequences
I like the complete lack of anyone with economics degrees, arguing about economics. Particularly mananimal
@ManAnimal you should mentor AOC on economics
There's nothing theoretically wrong with a socialist style system, which is why the support for such a system is most prevalent among the most educated classes.
The problem is always on the implementation side, which is why "common sense" types from the working class tend to oppose such a system. They're less focused on theory, and more on what happens every time it's tried.
Refine her into a real socialist
A REAL
yes there is
Socialist
Fucking lol
there is nothing right with a socialist style system
you end up with a permanent situation of 'get woke or go broke'
and you are FORCED to act like they want you to act