how do you have business under communism?

marxists/communsits at least

and socialism implies that

you don't have businesses

@ManAnimal you don't

I want everyone to be dirty hippies

again, lots of hand waving

exactly random

Bullets go through more if them that way

@ManAnimal - You don't. You just get to be a manager for a state owned business.

Theoretically you could get better managers that way. In practice, government fucks it up.

manager of what?

Tell me, what happens after communism?

Because everyone is payed the same wether they do their job or not, so no one works

a buiness has a 'what' and a 'why; the why is profit

the what is the productor service

none of these exist under communism

so manager of what?

You know its high iq hours when hitler quotes come out

I know what happens after nazis, I know what happens "after" capitalism. But I don't know what happens after communism. What does it evolve to?

Currently, the only way to "own" a business is to have lots of wealth. Theoretically, this is automatically locking out a huge proportion of our population from having any ability to guide the economy, even when they might do a much better job at running things.

A socialist system, in theory, could select the best people regardless of family background. In practice, government bureaucrats are often incompetent fuckwits who have no fucking clue about how to do their job, and they often select people who are just as incompetent as they are.

@Reprehensibletrash mass graves

you can own a buisness for 100usd

I'm of the mind that the cold war (Marxism vs Capitalism) was just an A/B test to find out which was the best method to control the masses.

just file the paperwork

@ManAnimal - I might be better at running Home Depot than the current CEO, but there are so many barriers between me and that CEO position that I might as well try out for the NBA.

Socialism could THEORETICALLY fix that, but government bureaucrats suck at their job. Not in theory. In practice.

but to you point, the busines WORTH owning makes a profit. but that is only p ossible by connecting the means of production with the prodcutive activity

that process requres risk

The ethnic cleansing is really funny to me. Hitler at least tried to exile them, before the French set fire to their beaches

why take said risk under communism?

we haven't gotten to that level yet

again, you want to start with something of value that already exists; home depot

but someone MADEEE that value

@ManAnimal - The best people to run any given institution are not necessarily the people who are currently in charge. In theory, socialism can fix that. In practice, we both know how fucking awful the government is. The government can't run shit, and anything they touch tends to turn to fucking garbage.

Anyone advocating communism is ill informed or actively malevolent

The difference between Marx and hitler, is like comparing isis to police

how does one 'make that value' under your system?

'the best' by what metric?

corect the gov has too many requirements to run efficenty

by your system willplace all businesses in the same boat

@randomNPCno3 - I'm arguing that the government is fucking incompetent, and that for socialism to work you need a government that goes well beyond being "not shit." They need to be fucking exceptional for socialism to work, and we both know that however "possible" that might be in theory, in practice good, functional, not corrupt governments are fucking gemstones in a sea of shit.