and city states own vast lands for farming

Athens was an exception

relatively vast maybe

because it was basically an Imperial overlord over oher city states

and took their shit

athens only had an empire for a small period of time

yes

before they got raped by sparta

and became a minor regional power again

but they are the only example of a really big, and largelly non-rural society in Anceinet Greeece that I know of

there were sevaral non rural places tho

venice of course

the rest is very much rural

and ur full o shit

go read the Iliad

i have read the illiad tbh

Their CULTURE emphasized the virtue of farming ur own food

which is why so many lazy cunts werent farmers?

i spose it depends on the city state

spartas slaves did the farming

yes

athens slves did the farming

and they had lots of em

you need lots of ppl to produce food for a city in a pre-modern setting

and RELYING on trade is VERY foolish

even today

depends on the city

uch more so back then

venice did pretty well by it

Muh exception is the rule now

pisa and genoa at least had a decent bit of mainland farmland

looking further back

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the phoenicians relied pretty heavily on trade

Venice had land on the mainland too...

The region is called Veneto to this day...

they had land there at some point sure

but they werent always that powerful

and they first built the city to run away from the mainland

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