A foolish choice, but these things happen.

@tereško - Some kids learn faster. A lot faster.

When you don't split classes up based on how quickly they master the curriculum, some of them end up being hobbled in their growth. Those gifted kids still end up on top, but their actual abilities are not even close to what they would have been if their education had been better managed.

It's like putting Usain Bolt in a running class where he has to wait until everyone else finished their lap, before he can run his next one. Sure, he becomes the fastest runner IN THAT SCHOOL, but you've basically robbed him of his Olympic chops.

Just because people end up on top anyways, that doesn't mean you haven't kneecapped their intellectual growth and retarded their development as a human being.

@Arthur Grayborn those monolithic classrooms are actually result of scoring-based education

the assumption is that "teaching" will increase the score of everyone

It's called the "detracking movement," @tereško. People saw that the "good" classes where overwhelmingly white, Asian, and Jewish, while the "bad" classes where overwhelmingly black and Hispanic.

They also noticed that black and Hispanic kids were more likely to meet a "minimum competence" threshhold in classes that aren't separated by ability, and that in fact every racial group has more people meeting that "minimum competence" threshhold in a detracked environment.

and based on that, having those huge classrooms is the most cost-effective way to increase scores for most people

and it has nothing to do with kids being white or black - the IQ is not based on race but on the environment at that age

Of course, when all you're looking at is the percentage of students meeting "minimum competence," you're missing the fact that a lot of the kids can go far, FAR beyond that. It's not unreasonable to expect that at least 10% of American students could be done with Calculus and Differential Equations by the time they finish high school.

10% of those could likely be done with an Associate's Degree, if not a Bachelor's.

dude, I've been all over the place, intelligence does matter enormously

you get these weird behaviors from doing things that they are not familiar with....cargo cult actions

No teresko iq is inherent

we had guards at the front gate of a facility

@tereško - Fact is, when you segregate students by academic ability, the strong begin progressing at a faster pace and the percentage of students meeting some "minimum competence" threshhold drops because a lot of the weaker students were being buoyed by tutoring from the more gifted.

@shrikeclaw well, IQ actually measures how good are you at abstract problem solving (basically, how good you are at math, geometry or programming ... shit like that),

they were supposed to be guarding the operation as there were major security risks

In our pursuit of egalitarianism, we kneecap the cognitive growth of the gifted, all in pursuit of having a larger percentage that meets some "minimum competence" threshhold.

we had a simple system for scanning things in with a hand held scanner

they broke for about a week, but the guards kept doing the same motion without the scanner

^ cargo cult

Nah. Manipulation.

cover the sticker on the truck with one hand and raise the other up like holding a scanner gun

no point to it

If the kids don't know the scanners are broken, then they're not as likely to bring in guns or knives.

If you stop using the scanners, kids will recognize that something's changed.

dude, the good guys we had were gurkas

the locals were terrible

we had fucking Al-Queida agents inside the damn operation

the locals were useless in that regard

Wait, were they going through the motions WITHOUT a scanner? Even a broken one?

yes

so bizarre

empty hands

I could understand using a fucking broken one, just to maintain appearances, but if there's no scanner then it's obvious as shit that you aren't scanning people.

that's what I was trying to convey

sorry if I was unclear

If I was working at an inner city school, and the metal detectors were broke, I'd say wand the kids anyways for the few days it takes to get working metal detectors in, just so that not as many of them will know how vulnerable they are.

With any luck, by the time someone realizes they can smuggle in a knife you've fixed the problem.

almost all of the people on my work "level" in africa have major problems learning new software even if straight out of college

some are ok, but most are crap