just noticing that made me think there was something wrong with what we are allowed to say

It's also probably because voters have never been that logical, at least for the vast majority of them. They're taught from a young age to be "in tune with their emotions," and that emotions are just as important, if not more so, than logic.

So logic ends up being subverted to emotion, and it corrupts their thinking.

I tried for *years* with the idea that anyone could learn anything

I had no idea how deep those ideas get

yes, I think you have something there

Eh, IQ isn't the right denominator, but if I grep the correct concept it's the same of what I speak. (IQ is more an indicator of the ability to manipulate and process data, rather than sensible interpretations.)

I actually think that IQ differences are a result of epigenetic factors (as in - environment) and education level (since it heavily depends on abstraction) ... the "race" as a factor is just a red herring

emotion is quite strong

@shrikeclaw - Interesting point about the realities surrounding IQ, is what would happen if a corporation took advantage of that knowledge. You could create an elite school for high IQ children, and basically train them to be your loyal goons. You'll end up with an army of geniuses that will do whatever the fuck you say, and at that point you just take over.

Erm..

evolution doesn't stop at the neck

they are using that

That's known as "higher education." @Arthur Grayborn

essentially

Universities

@shrikeclaw and genetics do not stop after birth

look at how the universities are talking about their students

Who possess documentation that claims superiority.

they just use them

not all fields are like other fields

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

@Laucivol - I'm talking about starting early, first grade.

Design your entire curriculum around maximizing the intellectual growth of high IQ children, who due to their situation will no longer be held back by the presence of less capable classmates. You can now move several times faster through the curriculum, and they'll be college ready by the time they hit sixth grade.

By the time they hit 12th grade, you'll have the equivalent of PhD educations in an army of kids you've been molding for the past 12 years, to think and say what the corporation wants them to.

some have been more rigorous and kept their heads down during this nazi fantasy time

At that point, you just take over the fucking country one economic sector at a time.

Replace corporation with government and we already have that system in place.

Not really.

Education for gifted children is hobbled by the "universalist" system we have now.

Some kids are ready to move through the curriculum 2-3 times faster, but slower kids set the pace for the entire class.

Eh, the truly gifted have outs.

The truly gifted do well for themselves, but they would do significantly better and achieve a hell of a lot more in a system that actually maximizes their potential.

@Arthur Grayborn wrong. It's not the "universalist system" that is the problem. The actual issue is education that is based on testing-scores and memorization.

Which is why I turned my back on the system when I was no longer compelled to engage it.

A foolish choice, but these things happen.

@tereško - Some kids learn faster. A lot faster.

When you don't split classes up based on how quickly they master the curriculum, some of them end up being hobbled in their growth. Those gifted kids still end up on top, but their actual abilities are not even close to what they would have been if their education had been better managed.

It's like putting Usain Bolt in a running class where he has to wait until everyone else finished their lap, before he can run his next one. Sure, he becomes the fastest runner IN THAT SCHOOL, but you've basically robbed him of his Olympic chops.

Just because people end up on top anyways, that doesn't mean you haven't kneecapped their intellectual growth and retarded their development as a human being.

@Arthur Grayborn those monolithic classrooms are actually result of scoring-based education

the assumption is that "teaching" will increase the score of everyone

It's called the "detracking movement," @tereško. People saw that the "good" classes where overwhelmingly white, Asian, and Jewish, while the "bad" classes where overwhelmingly black and Hispanic.

They also noticed that black and Hispanic kids were more likely to meet a "minimum competence" threshhold in classes that aren't separated by ability, and that in fact every racial group has more people meeting that "minimum competence" threshhold in a detracked environment.

and based on that, having those huge classrooms is the most cost-effective way to increase scores for most people

and it has nothing to do with kids being white or black - the IQ is not based on race but on the environment at that age

Of course, when all you're looking at is the percentage of students meeting "minimum competence," you're missing the fact that a lot of the kids can go far, FAR beyond that. It's not unreasonable to expect that at least 10% of American students could be done with Calculus and Differential Equations by the time they finish high school.

10% of those could likely be done with an Associate's Degree, if not a Bachelor's.