Message from @tereško
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But Japan has an entirely different culture. A culture that I’d say is largely responsible for their results.
Nah. Just put them in a classroom with other disruptive students, and make it clear that if they don't learn to behave then prison is very much in their future.
that's just like an asian way for growing the most poisonous insect possible
put them all in the same bucket and the last surviving one is the most poisonous
It doesn't matter how you reduce the number of disruptions, @tereško.
Smaller class sizes and ejecting disruptive students will BOTH improve academic performance, but only one of those can be done without having to increase education spending by a ridiculous amount.
the difference is that one approach "ejects students", while other educates all of the students
That's like saying you shouldn't cast murderers, drug dealers, and pedophiles out of normal society. The difference is that one approach "ejects people" while the other embraces the humanity of all people.
The “disruptive children” and by that I mean the ones who’ve made it entirely obvious that they’re impossible to teach, should be expelled.
They should then be put into some kind of school that’s half way between regular school and trade school.
If that fails.... meh? You’ve done what you can. Handball them back to the parents and say “You fucked up. Your problem now.”
What the fuck is up with me mixing up my words?
My mind is running faster than my keyboard. FML...
no, your mind is a very very dark place
you think that just because kid is "disruptive", it is a good reason for that kid to be ejected from society
U need to overclock your keyboard
No, I believe that most humans are fairly neutral, while the good ones and bad ones are "end of the bell curve" type people. Most people don't need to be ejected from society, but a fairly large number of them do. I'd say probably about 2-5%.
The 2-5% on the other end, the truly good ones, should be identified and put in positions of power.
I’ll agree with you about the bottom 2-5
sorry, but assigning labels like "good ones" and "bad ones" to 9 year olds seems somewhat retarded
But the top 2-5... you’re talking about making folks god-Kings.
We’ve tried that.
It’s not good.
Personalities are pretty much set in stone by that age.
Parents, peers, there's not much the school can do.
Nah, @Scale_e. Just finding them and encouraging them to do leadership crap.
"Hey, if you run for class president you could push for the school to fix X, Y, Z problems. Your classmates could really use someone who gives a crap about everyone else!"
Encourage people who care, and are also competent, to put themselves in a position where they can actually do something.
The thing is, there’s no standardized test, applicable to teenagers, that is predictive of good leadership.
Noticing good leadership is done via... well, knowing people.
@tereško - Who says I'm a biological determinist?
I’m not a biological determinist either.
Childhood nurture is a HUGE deal, and it's also something you can fuck up royally, and something that can only be "fixed" if you start at a young age. Once people hit 9/10, there's not much you can do to change them.
(Hard determinist, cause/effect, absence of free will, *maybe*)
(But that’s another argument)
If you want to raise someone as a future leader of society, you basically have to start them out as a toddler. Parenting is pretty much everything, and on top of that you also have to put them in a great social circle where people won't drag them down or debase their work ethic.
Once people hit a certain age, personalities don't change that much.
It's like smoking. If mom and dad smoke, odds are the kid will smoke too. If mom and dad are non-smokers, but the kid's friends all have parents who smoke, then that kid's probably still gonna become a smoker.
So, if you rape a child after 10 it won't affect them?
You can still fuck them up, but the point is damage can't be fixed.
Not entirely.
I really think you’re putting too much faith in our ability to educate people.
It’s much more scattergun than that.
Personalities don’t change much, sure, but ambitions do.
Beyond “this kid should probably go into *some kind* of trade.” And “This kid has the brains to go into *some kind* of stem field.” I doubt that tracking them towards a specific career has much point.
Once you fuck up a kid, it's hard to bring them back from that.
The younger they are, the easier it is to fuck them up. When they're older, they're a little more resilient. Still breakable, still vulnerable, but nowhere near as much.
A kid who grows up with strong ethics and a passion for knowledge, isn't going to just change his mind at the drop of a hat, because his mom started using meth when he entered the 6th grade.
A kindergartner might.
6th grade is still young.
A kid's mind is like concrete.
While young, super malleable. As they age, it becomes harder and harder to change them.
Eventually you can't change them without breaking them.