Message from @ETBrooD

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2019-08-02 10:45:50 UTC  

Which is legislation and laws are created in a different way

2019-08-02 10:46:06 UTC  

The term "legislation" is not used for businesses

2019-08-02 10:46:08 UTC  

The laws have not caught up with this social media thing

2019-08-02 10:46:38 UTC  

Ah so you're now making a new argument. First you said Google is creating legislation, now you're saying Google is making de facto legislation.

2019-08-02 10:46:50 UTC  

It was created and the governments in the past have used it to manipulate people.

2019-08-02 10:46:55 UTC  

Still wrong, but I just wanted to point out the goalpost shift.

2019-08-02 10:47:11 UTC  

I am saying they can still be able to fuck your life up compeletely yes.

2019-08-02 10:47:32 UTC  

Google cannot "fuck your life up" using *legislation*

2019-08-02 10:47:48 UTC  

If they do that, then they're open for a lawsuit and you can sue *them*

2019-08-02 10:48:24 UTC  

The government intervenes precisely because it has *monopoly on legislation*

2019-08-02 10:48:42 UTC  

No one else can do legislation, only the government can, this is a fact

2019-08-02 10:51:28 UTC  

Yeah but they already have a problem with this because of facebook .... hence the reason why people are wondering why, Facebook has been allowed to "destroy people's reputations", and then distribute information about them against the will of the people. The companies have their own legislation and you do not understand the terminology and laws are created by the state. You know they could have prevented the mergers but they did not because these companies are now too big.

2019-08-02 10:51:48 UTC  

They do not have their own legislation, that would be illegal

2019-08-02 10:52:15 UTC  

Laws are required in every culture and society, to help maintain order and compliance to norms. While there is a qualitative difference between societal norms and laws that are enforceable by judiciary, laws serve the purpose of controlling deviant behavior. There is another word though that confuses many when it comes to understanding the law, and that is legislation. The laws of the land, before passage in the parliament, remain pieces of legislation and finally take the shape of laws to be followed by one and all. There are subtle differences between the two concepts though legislation is that

2019-08-02 10:52:17 UTC  

if Google created legislation, the government would be on its ass in an instant, you can be sure of that

2019-08-02 10:52:38 UTC  

Because the government doesn't tolerate a shadow government

2019-08-02 10:52:43 UTC  

Legislation

Legislation is a word that is used for a law before it has become the law of the land; that is, when it is in the process of becoming a law. In fact, laws are rules and regulations that are proposed and debated in the parliament by the elected legislators. It is at this stage that a law is referred to as a piece of proposed legislation. In many countries, legislation is also referred to as a bill until it has been debated and passed by the houses of the parliament and received the President’s seal of approval.

2019-08-02 10:53:01 UTC  

I am doing this from your american perspective not a british one

2019-08-02 10:53:08 UTC  

I'm not American, but whatever

2019-08-02 10:53:17 UTC  

Legislation can be passed, enacted, or promulgated depending upon whether it is a product of parliament or is made by the government of the day. When it is made by the house of parliament, legislation is moved, debated and amended before it is finally passed. Only after legislation gets President’s approval or sanction that it is referred to as the law of the land.

2019-08-02 10:53:33 UTC  

You're still wrong, because no one besides the government can create legislation, and I'm not going to repeat that again

2019-08-02 10:53:40 UTC  

It does not matter .----- it is the same throughout all the lands

2019-08-02 10:53:58 UTC  

Definitions matter, words matter. If you use the wrong terminology, I'm going to call you out.

2019-08-02 10:54:25 UTC  

The fact that you so vehemently defend your position is laughable. You could've made all sorts of argument, but this one is untenable.

2019-08-02 10:54:33 UTC  

```What is the difference between Law and Legislation?

• Law is the rule or regulation meant to uphold the constitution and the societal norms through a system or punishment by courts having coercive power.

• Law, before it is enacted or promulgated, remains in the shape of a piece of legislation.

• Legislation is also called a bill moved by a member of the legislative assembly that is debated and amended before passage by the house. ```

2019-08-02 10:54:52 UTC  

I know what legislation and law mean

2019-08-02 10:54:58 UTC  

```• Source of law can be constitution or legislative assembly, but legislation exists only in a legislative assembly or the house of a parliament.

• Legislation is the law in the making though there are also pieces of legislation that never see the light of the day and never become laws of the land.````

2019-08-02 10:55:11 UTC  

Google is not allowed to create legislation, *because they're not part of the government*

2019-08-02 10:55:34 UTC  

read the end bit of that

2019-08-02 10:55:39 UTC  

I have read it

2019-08-02 10:55:59 UTC  

You're still wrong, and I'm losing patience. You can either admit that you're wrong or I'm gonna leave the conversation.

2019-08-02 10:56:15 UTC  

This is not a matter of "opinion", this is factual

2019-08-02 10:58:03 UTC  

```Company Definition:
A legal entity, allowed by legislation, which permits a group of people, as shareholders, to apply to the government for an independent organization to be created, which can then focus on pursuing set objectives, and empowered with legal rights which are usually only reserved for individuals, such as to sue and be sued, own property, hire employees or loan and borrow money.```

2019-08-02 10:58:26 UTC  

So you're still not gonna admit that you're wrong?

2019-08-02 11:01:57 UTC  

I tell you what you need to do ... is understand English . Just because they are not the government does not mean they cannot have their own legislation. They are a private company. They are by law, meant to provide a legislation of their own.

2019-08-02 11:04:35 UTC  

I'll just note down that I won't debate you again in the future. You have a pretty bad record of backing down when you're obviously wrong about something (you always defend your position regardless of how untenable it is).
And I'm leaving the conversation now.

2019-08-02 11:06:28 UTC  

So you kind of do not read the context of community guidelines and that they, are not there, to be your best friend. You are the consumer. If they see fit, they can make your life a living hell with the information that they have on you. Hence, the reason why I came off facebook as soon as they started to make it a thing about putting your name out there. Then, they do not delete data . This is also, a failing of Google. And has destroyed people's careers and it has destroyed their reputation. But you are, thinking that they are santa or, the toothfairy. They are not, they can do what the fuck they like because it is their legislation and they, do not need that shit passed in parliament or senate. Hence, on numerous occasions, Mark Zuckerberg has been able to cover his ass about his faillings. Because he is covered by his own loop holes of legislation.

2019-08-02 11:06:57 UTC  

There is no direct company laws, the government now and again reviews company legislations

2019-08-02 11:09:31 UTC  

As far as I was aware it was Edward Snowdon that blew the whistle on the last thing the US government did, and this is why they hid behind Cambridge analytica

2019-08-02 11:38:19 UTC  

@TEABAG!!! & @ETBrooD

So technically a terms of service (ToS) is still legally binding, and binding under the concept of common law (which is technically more fundamental than any politically determined laws, and is still used in the UK and other areas of the west). Common law treats even verbal agreements and promises as binding. This is why you can sue people for failing to uphold their own terms, and why gabbard is doing so to Google.

Just because something that regulates interactions between consumer and company isn't state driven, or just because a court doesn't have the authority to put you in prison, does not mean a) it isn't part of law, or b) isn't a form of limited legislation. If that was true, then by that logic, anything crime which is punishable by a fine and only a fine isn't a law either, public or private. Law is simply that which you can be held to account against, and it can be public or private in form.

Right now the big problem at its core with the tech giants isn't m&a activity. Its the premise that the data & the content you provide them belongs to them explicitly. It's your data first, they just host it. It is like your landlord claiming by living in his property he gets all your stuff too. It's precisely like that when you consider what ejection from the platform means.

All your content is destroyed if a full wipe happens. That's like a landlord evicting you and burning all your stuff because it's there.

2019-08-02 11:38:56 UTC  

Google still doesn't create legislation