Message from @Jack Bright
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Then who is the 'collective'
yeah usually the owners vote on the managerial staff
The goal of socialism is to establish communism
a system in which everyone is equal
and delegate managerial duties to them
not necessarily
No, not everyone is equal under communism
you're speaking of marxism specifically
In a system with no property, no government, and no money
From each according to their ability to each according to their needs - that's not a matter of equality, nothing in there says that
Socialism and Communism sound like Hinduism but lame and no market economy.
well socialism doesn't mean there can't be a market economy
I bet if you asked Marx right now, he'd probably scoff at the idea of equality
depending on how it's defined at least
"From each according to their ability to each according to their needs" is advocating for equality of outcome dude
No it isn't
Not really
the relationship between marx and egalitarianism is a complicated one
If one produces more, and the other needs more, the extra the one produced goes to the other
it makes no mention of any exchange
It’s more the anarchists that are strictly egalitarian.
No, it's says Each according to their ability.
FROM each
>From each according to their ability
But also
>To each according to their needs
Your needs determine what you gain, you're not supposed to get more than you need
yeah
Everyone has what they *need*
and nothing more.
No, that's wrong
That's central planning
Ie if I had cancer a doctor would give me treatment because the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth has been established
You literally just said "You are not supposed to get more than you need"
You're not supposed to get more than you need by means of socialism, but you can enrich yourself further beyond your needs
Granted they do anyway because marxism is retarded
AFTER all people's needs are met
There is what is SUPPOSED to happen and what ACTUALLY happens in the case of these... systems.
If everyone's needs are met, you can enrich yourself. The true problem of communism lies beyond this idea. It's not about equality.
If this was a product it would sound exactly like a pyramid scheme.
Jack, I know the realistic problems of communism, but we're talking about the theory
For reference we're talking about equality of outcome yes