or even that this is something all jews support, they don't

k, so

My question would then be, is it just purely personal choice, an arbitrary personal choice that makes a Jew be more pro open border than the rest of them? Or is there something more institutional?

You'd have to ask a Jew.

Basically, what's happening isn't largely the consequence of the whole of the population of Jews, but a relatively small number of very influential and highly motivated jews, working in tandem with many non-jewish elites to push certain agendas.

The jewish vector of organization shouldn't be ignored, but it's not a universal condemnation of jews.

Well then it'd help if you started using that rhetoric instead

The "it's (((them)))" rhetoric doesn't land

Cause it's demonstrably not (((them)))

(((them))) spreads the meme further, unfortunately

it's punchy

It's also stupid though, so it only lands with idiots

Not saying you're stupid, I'm saying it's the wrong way to get people on board

Cause it's ultimately about borders

Not about Judaism

I don't think Menace was using that rhetoric, at least not intentionally.

maybe I'm biased, because it was an effective strategy with me, as it was aggressively utilized *by* jews who were skeptical of these mafias

What was?

Basically, I once encountered a steam group, with a handful of Jews who were libertarians and ancaps, and largely nationalist. Who were actually willing to acknowledge and discuss how much of an impact Jews had.

At first I just thought they were trolling, but eventually, I got to conversing with them, and realized, "holy crap, they're right"

So they were redpilling you, not the other way around?

There are, in fact, Jews who realize this is a kind of self-destructive strategy that some Jews employ, that has the tendency of making them a target across history.

Yes.

I see, ok

Well, it worked with you, but it absolutely drove me away, and I know it drives a lot of other people away

And then there was Frame Game. Who went into more detail regarding how their groups operate. Unfortunately, he vanished off the internet about a year ago.

He made probably a few dozen videos, very lengy, often over an hour long. Where he would examine a news article, and explain exactly what organizations were involved, and why they were doing what they did. He actually works as a corporate lawyer, so he understands how the business world operates. He is also heavily into debate, so he could dissect their arguments and framing, to show how they were persuading people.

And of course, he was also Jewish. And understood how their culture worked, to explain it in that context as well.

Aight I'm glad he was able to get information to you, the thing is though, with this rhetoric it doesn't get to a lot of other people, in fact it inspires conspiracy theories about right-wing extremists

It inspires the narrative of right-wing radicalization

I'm really sad he's gone. He gave me hope for a peaceful resolution. He even pointed out a huge problem in why it's so hard for Jews to actually side with reform of these activities. They're aggressively punished by other Jews, and non-Jews are shit at actually protecting them. Basically, we can't protect Jewish whisteblowers, so, they often either get intimidated, or disappeared.

The left loves to use that against nationalistic viewpoints

And he was willing to address this problem without "hating" his people. He always made a point of that.

Love is important.

Ok, see

I think the core issue is what matters, because you can't typically convince someone who already has an opinion

It happens, but not often

The core issue is open borders, mass migration, not (((them)))

Unfortunately, one of the biggest obstacles to explaining the JQ, is that many of the real things Jews have been involved with sound so over the top, that people assume they're lies. lol

Like the fact that Israel exists as a direct result of a war crime?

It's like when you're trying to explain crime statistics, and people assume you're racist.