Basically, I once encountered a steam group, with a handful of Jews who were libertarians and ancaps, and largely nationalist. Who were actually willing to acknowledge and discuss how much of an impact Jews had.

At first I just thought they were trolling, but eventually, I got to conversing with them, and realized, "holy crap, they're right"

So they were redpilling you, not the other way around?

There are, in fact, Jews who realize this is a kind of self-destructive strategy that some Jews employ, that has the tendency of making them a target across history.

Yes.

I see, ok

Well, it worked with you, but it absolutely drove me away, and I know it drives a lot of other people away

And then there was Frame Game. Who went into more detail regarding how their groups operate. Unfortunately, he vanished off the internet about a year ago.

He made probably a few dozen videos, very lengy, often over an hour long. Where he would examine a news article, and explain exactly what organizations were involved, and why they were doing what they did. He actually works as a corporate lawyer, so he understands how the business world operates. He is also heavily into debate, so he could dissect their arguments and framing, to show how they were persuading people.

And of course, he was also Jewish. And understood how their culture worked, to explain it in that context as well.

Aight I'm glad he was able to get information to you, the thing is though, with this rhetoric it doesn't get to a lot of other people, in fact it inspires conspiracy theories about right-wing extremists

It inspires the narrative of right-wing radicalization

I'm really sad he's gone. He gave me hope for a peaceful resolution. He even pointed out a huge problem in why it's so hard for Jews to actually side with reform of these activities. They're aggressively punished by other Jews, and non-Jews are shit at actually protecting them. Basically, we can't protect Jewish whisteblowers, so, they often either get intimidated, or disappeared.

The left loves to use that against nationalistic viewpoints

And he was willing to address this problem without "hating" his people. He always made a point of that.

Love is important.

Ok, see

I think the core issue is what matters, because you can't typically convince someone who already has an opinion

It happens, but not often

The core issue is open borders, mass migration, not (((them)))

Unfortunately, one of the biggest obstacles to explaining the JQ, is that many of the real things Jews have been involved with sound so over the top, that people assume they're lies. lol

Like the fact that Israel exists as a direct result of a war crime?

It's like when you're trying to explain crime statistics, and people assume you're racist.

Or do you mean backroom deals

I criticize Israel, but when you get right down to it. I'm not opposed to Jews having their own homeland. I just get irritated that they had to built it next to (and on top of) people who they can't get along with.

See, this is one of the key issues though.

Do you agree that a people have a right to own land?

Frame Game even explained the whole AIPAC thing. Like, it's kind of a meme, and most people who look into it see only a small amount of money being pledged from AIPAC itself, and assume you're just blowing hot air. But that's not what AIPAC's function is. It's basically a *vetting* system, to network candidates with wealthy donors. You don't actually get much of a contribution *from* AIPAC, but from people who *pay attention* to AIPAC's evaluations of candidates, and the grades they issue on their report cards.

I agree people have a right to own land. Yes.

Ok so, I'll try to to get to my point quickly. The Jews have been persecuted for a long time, and still are technically speaking. They didn't have a homeland, now they have it. However, they had to be welcomed as guests in order to get it, and they had to fight a bloody war (as the majority) after mass migrating to Israel. So now this is their homeland, and their actions dictate that they would be in favor of open borders, otherwise they can't lay legitimate claim to that land today.

So they would have to be in favor of open borders, violent conquest, or else they would have to condemn their past, despite being the oppressed prior to their conquest.

Do you see the dilemma?

They can't condemn their past, this is about survival for them.

Yeah, that's where survival factors in, at least to an extent.

The funny thing about moral values, is that they tend to be easiest to practice when they don't come at a personal cost.

Correct, moral values must be tested, otherwise they're virtue signalling

Like, Free Speech, for instance.

Lots of people talk big about Free Speech, but the instant that ensuring it would disadvantage them sufficiently, they tend to be much less eager.

Well, yes and no, but that's a complicated issue

Either way, the moral dilemma of the Jews is what forces them into this type of behavior culturally speaking

Culture of Critique actually explores a lot of it. Basically, the theory is it's a set of adaptive behaviors which were useful mostly in the context of their diaspora, but led to a lot of conflict and antagonism with host cultures, resulting in frequent exiles. Ironically, perpetuating the very state which led to the behavior.