Message from @Ethreen42
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i'd be happy to change my opinion
Reread what I wrote faggot
lol
Pakistanis
You can't possibly prove that these people are the same
The ones calling for closed border enforcement and the ones crying against statism while also calling for closed borders
Chances are the latter are a fringe group in the first place
Cause it sounds stupid
nah despotism is based
no, when Ben shapiro or his allies call for an end to what they call "SJW culture" and a return to more tradional values he always refuses the only way such sociatal change could occure, statism and Illiberalism
Whilst he endorses the illiberal state of israel
That is galaxy brained
But it's not the way to get there, because you can't "enforce traditional values"
People do what they wanna do, go ahead and prove me wrong.
for hundreds, maybe thousands of years traditional values were enforced through moral values and education, it's only when the media, government and education system stopped supporting them did traditional values become more and more fringe
Traditional values were not enforced, they were neccessary for survival
they very much were enforced, if not by the state then by society
the same way modern Progressive values are being enforced
Dude, you think people didn't cheat on their partners in medieval Europe?
thats not my point
things like drag kids etc for example are a symptom of Social liberalism and wouldn't of been tolerated in say the 1950s since at that point Tradional socially conservatives values were dominent in society
It was tolerated long before the 20th century
not in the mainstream it wasn't
It was a privilege of the upper class
Dude, even fashion reflects it
What do you think all these men dressing up and putting makeup on was?
i dont care about what rich urbanites were doing
I'm talking about everyday people
But my point is that it's a result of wealth
As society becomes wealthier, which it does, people express themselves more freely and openly, in all classes
It's inevitable, it's always been the case
that doesn't make it a good thing
That's not your point though, you're talking about "enforcing traditional values"
I'm telling you they weren't traditional to begin with
The elite never cared about this shit
again i dont care about what rich urbanites were doing
So if you ask for statist intervention in favor of traditionalism, you're looking in the wrong place
Because the state is run BY the elites
They'll always pander to their own desires
Degeneracy started at the top first
that wouldn't make it inevitable, presumable you would get rid of said elites first