It's one population

Americans for example, they're not Hungarians

no shit

Different history, different people, everything different

Sounds like propaganda and government red scare programs but okay.

No it's more that Ethreen is looking at Hungary very superficially

I'd prefer a population that knows the truth than a population that thinks the way you want them to think.

all i'm saying is that Hungarian style governments should be emulated

thats not a very radical idea

And I was trying to show that stuff like that has been tried in america and thoses are two prominent examples.

You're arguing it should be state-enforced

yes

and

Then don't beat around the bush, you want a dictatorship

It's a radical idea for a government to have a right to enforce what people think and experience.

Or a monarchy, which is in the same ballpark, so whatever

The UK is going to shit because it's a fuckfest of undemocratic leadership positions, so the way I see it, leaving things in the hands of a few elite is a terrible idea

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i dont want i dictatorship because i dont want to die, i believe people should be equipt with protections to remove dictators i.e guns, with that being said i want to live in a functioning state with non-degenerate values, if that means living in a slightly less free country so be it

You won't have guns when this traditionalism thing becomes enforced

What if your values are the degenerate ones?

If the state decides religion or monogamy is in fact degeneracy, what then?

well they wouldn't do it over night

there would be signs that they were planning that

years before it happened

And then you'd step in with your guns... oh wait, you don't have any anymore

It's easy to say you don't like this, so get rid of it, but that opens a very dangerous path.

You're taking the same logic as the sjws.

again i'm not advocating for dictatorship, there would be rules that the government must follow and cant change

like a constitution

^^^^

thats the biggest problem in the uk politically, we lack a written constitution similar to the US one

I'm just saying mate, the path to ban things you don't like will be used against things you like eventually.

alternatively if you belive that a government has to much power, NGOs should be used to influence social policy

since then nothing has been banned

just made taboo

Your plan is so chaotic and self-defeating it might just work because no one would take it seriously, like another Trump situation

We have culture and social ostracism for a reason, humans can naturally fight against "degeneracy" without the need for government.

I think traditionalists have this purist view of the past

This childlike view that things used to be better, less degenerate

The heavy hand of government will catch more than you think, and you will likely not escape it's grasp.