Well, to use your analogy, we have cars that run, they were built by humans but humans went extinct and you're refusing to try and dig them up <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Here's a thought: Maybe all the giraffes with cardiovascular system that couldn't keep up died before they could manufacture more faulty giraffes. I know, shocking.

Okay, but if the original giraffe was a mutation off a successful okapi or whatever, how did it come out perfect the first try and survive?

no organism is perfect

It has to be or it has the downs.

it just survived

basically, if it was flawed in some way, it wasn't flawed to a degree that it couldn't reproduce

you can be pretty flawed, and still reproduce

It randomly survived. The changes generation to generation aren't severe.

you know how many people with glandular, mental, and metabolic issues still breed?

Well you just reminded me that by having c-section, we're weakening humanity as a species <:smugon:512048583806025739>

Those people weren't stillborn missing half a heart.

^

WHich is what a half-giraffe would be.

The transitional okapi wouldn't need a giraffe sized heart, it would just need one effective enough to support whatever transitional elongation of its neck had occurred that generation

we're not talking a doubling of size in a single generation, but probably changes as little as a percent or less over a single generation

And then you'd need another random mutation that *just happens* to perfectly compliment the radical new design.

it doesn't half to be a half giraffe

Half-giraffe doesn'T mean half a giraffe duct taped to a half of okapi tho. The evolutionary midpoint could have half a meter long neck and slightly increased heart, just like the long boi five hundred years ago had 30 cm neck and the longer boi 500 years later would have meter and a half long neck.

You gotta get a modern giraffe somehow, they don't just come out of a horse's ass.

considering this can occur over tens or hundreds of thousands, even millions of years

Also that.

it could just be 0.00067% more giraffe than its parents

I used smol numbers, not to scale

Not to mention Giraffes, particularly Bull Giraffes, have other survival advantages. Such as being extremely dangerous to Lions.

Inb4 pugs aren't descended from wolves because wolves have way bigger hearts <:hyperthink:462282519883284480>

No, it's like expecting a Dire Wolf out of a Great Dane.

Or a great dane out of a normal wolf? <:smugon:512048583806025739>

What about a Great Dane out of a Dire Wolf?

Aurochs, the organism from which modern european stock cows are descended, was fucking *bigger than Buffalo*

Also technically we made a direwolf out of a wolf

Czechoslovakian wolfdog, looks almost like a wolf, is bigger by about half

I think your problem with evolution is that you fail to see it as a process.

You expect instant results when really it waffles on for millions of years and every now and then it encounters a dead end that it takes a few hundred thousand to restart.

There's a pretty substantial range of diversity feasible in an organism without having those changes necessarily be complimentary

I mean, imagine thinking that if a man has a son who is 3 inches taller than him, that son will die before he reproduces because of the risk that his heart isn't perfectly optimized to that difference in stature.

FYI, GoT direwolves were played by northern inuit dogs

Like McKenzie river wolves?

Those dogs are massive

Mackenzie valley, misremembered the name

There's a guy who breeds them in my town