Message from @Wizard_of_The_West

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2019-07-19 17:11:23 UTC  

No dates of publication or editing..

2019-07-19 17:11:50 UTC  

the poll is at the bottom though

2019-07-19 17:13:24 UTC  

"This survey was conducted online within the United states from February 1-2 2019 among 1,001 registered voters by HarrisX

2019-07-19 17:13:28 UTC  

First issue there.

2019-07-19 17:17:16 UTC  

it's not great but indicative. Also, the poll is racist, they had 5 times as many whites as any other race!!! kek

2019-07-19 17:18:14 UTC  

It doesn't really explain its methodology either.

2019-07-19 17:22:40 UTC  

Because random polls should be ignored. Which is why the census is still important as it can give real information.

2019-07-19 17:32:04 UTC  

Does this server have issue with PewResearch? They're usually excellent.

2019-07-19 17:32:17 UTC  

They have a lot of issues with organisations that don't agree with them?

2019-07-19 17:39:23 UTC  

When the largest employer is the government I can understand why people think that.

2019-07-19 17:40:27 UTC  

Pew is pretty much the gold standard.

2019-07-19 17:41:24 UTC  

Personally I think there's a case to be made for the government at least ensuring that one medical emergency isn't going to put a hard working person (or family) into crippling debt.

2019-07-19 17:42:06 UTC  

I also agree that social safety nets are a good thing, so long as the potential for dependancy is minimized (and believe me, I know a bit about dependancy issues).

2019-07-19 17:43:31 UTC  

Crippling debt is like what makes you American.

2019-07-19 17:46:57 UTC  

American health spending per capita is much much higher than other 'rich' countries in the West. Yet Americans have a lower life expectancy than the majority of those countries

2019-07-19 17:47:26 UTC  

If you visit that page, you can see some further reading and information on the abysmal state of the US medical system.

2019-07-19 17:47:39 UTC  

Just under the chart time-scale bar.

2019-07-19 17:49:05 UTC  

The question is, why are these other countries able to provide better services at a significantly lower cost per capital.

2019-07-19 17:49:44 UTC  

Because of debt and they don't pay as much for national/international defense.

2019-07-19 17:50:07 UTC  

one is they artificially lower the cost by putting price ceilings on drugs and procedures

2019-07-19 17:50:26 UTC  

^

2019-07-19 17:50:39 UTC  

They also have far more 'generic drugs'

2019-07-19 17:50:52 UTC  

Which are, drugs that no longer have patents on them and are in the public domain.

2019-07-19 17:50:59 UTC  

which gets into the patent law I mentioned before

2019-07-19 17:51:07 UTC  

Such as, cetirizine hydrochloride

2019-07-19 17:51:11 UTC  

Yeah, you're completely right

2019-07-19 17:51:15 UTC  

Sounds like otter pops but the ones in walmart that are strangely near the radiator and transmission fluids.

2019-07-19 17:51:21 UTC  

I can't believe you have a patent on it over there..

2019-07-19 17:51:55 UTC  

I am completely in favor of redoing the patent laws concerning drugs in this country

2019-07-19 17:52:14 UTC  

It definitely needs to be addressed.

2019-07-19 17:52:14 UTC  

Watch people buy stuff in the US. They walk up to a brand name then see a generic and go "Yeah I'll pay three times as much for the label"

2019-07-19 17:52:25 UTC  

In fact, I bet if you made that one change alone it would probably make a huge dent in the issue

2019-07-19 17:52:58 UTC  

Honestly I think it probably would.

2019-07-19 17:52:59 UTC  

that also gets into making advertising drugs illegal. I am on the fence for that one

2019-07-19 17:54:00 UTC  

Our system is good for that:

2019-07-19 17:54:50 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/598762585315082260/601834341194137601/unknown.png

2019-07-19 17:55:13 UTC  

I think that advertising drugs should be limited to a doctors waiting room

2019-07-19 17:55:14 UTC  

I'm on the fence about advertising it to healthcare professionals