Message from @Jokerfaic

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2019-07-29 16:27:30 UTC  

And quite honestly I can't fault them too much for going to an extreme example, since the right likes to pretend bare minimum ideas like centralized health insurance will magically result in food lines and firing squads

2019-07-29 16:28:25 UTC  

Generally because the 'right' politicians are lobbied heavily by big pharma and private healthcare businesses

2019-07-29 16:28:33 UTC  

^^^

2019-07-29 16:28:45 UTC  

They make money, so they don't give a shit

2019-07-29 16:29:38 UTC  

They still want you broke and starving, they just want that money to go in their pockets instead of vanishing into thin fucking air

2019-07-29 16:31:01 UTC  

Generally what I've seen from US politics is both parties desperately fighting for credit for action X or action Y

2019-07-29 16:31:22 UTC  

Rather than putting citizens first and improving the quality of life, it's generally party politics and party image first

2019-07-29 16:33:33 UTC  

yes and no. Republicans have lost any illusion of being actors in the best interest of the common citizenry after Bush bet the farm on market deregulation and corporate welfare, which has led to the ill-concieved notion that only the democrats will solve this

2019-07-29 16:34:00 UTC  

part and parcel of an artificially forced two-party system

2019-07-29 16:34:26 UTC  

It seems that Democrats are actually pushing for solutions whereas the Republicans are just saying "no no no" and not offering any solutions of their own

2019-07-29 16:34:39 UTC  

OR, the democrats are at least trying to do something

2019-07-29 16:34:49 UTC  

Good or bad, I don't know. At least they're attempting something.

2019-07-29 16:35:06 UTC  

That is largely the case, but Democrats have lost the plot on what will actually positively impact the country in most topics.

2019-07-29 16:35:47 UTC  

I don't know all that much about both parties tbh

2019-07-29 16:36:02 UTC  

They have a decent approach to healthcare though

2019-07-29 16:36:05 UTC  

universal health insurance and publicly funded college are about the only genuinely good ideas they've got so far, at least ideas held up by several candidates

2019-07-29 16:36:22 UTC  

Those are the only two that I know they have

2019-07-29 16:38:12 UTC  

but the rest are open borders, a no-delay sharp jump in minimum wage, continual bending of the knee to identitarian rhetoric like reparations, and refusal to substantively oppose the current foreign policy of endless war

2019-07-29 16:39:02 UTC  

I would imagine the democrats to be hawks?

2019-07-29 16:39:07 UTC  

I would have expected doves?

2019-07-29 16:39:08 UTC  

But you're absolutely correct about Republicans simply being contrarian and offering no solutions of their own

2019-07-29 16:39:56 UTC  

Republicans certainly corner the political market on border security, but that's really about it.

2019-07-29 16:40:11 UTC  

Sounds about right

2019-07-29 16:40:20 UTC  

That's where most of their focus is

2019-07-29 16:40:24 UTC  

That and "Socialism bad"

2019-07-29 16:42:01 UTC  

exactly, and they've spent decades branding any sort of direct-government-interaction with these issues as 'socialism', that its no wonder a new generation has lost patience and said "you know what, fine, guess we're socialists now."

2019-07-29 16:42:14 UTC  

Yep

2019-07-29 16:42:24 UTC  

That's the red scare for you

2019-07-29 16:42:45 UTC  

It seems like the Republicans are out of touch with the times

2019-07-29 16:42:50 UTC  

Stuck in the cold war

2019-07-29 16:43:50 UTC  

Don't forget, Socialist and communist ideology hit fertile soil in Russia because the tsars were fucking isular, self-involved monarchs with no regard for the citizenry

2019-07-29 16:44:30 UTC  

Moscow was starving long before Lenin came along.

2019-07-29 16:44:38 UTC  

Yep

2019-07-29 16:47:23 UTC  

The Republicans offering very little is the reason I think they will lose in 2020

2019-07-29 16:52:21 UTC  

Communism and socialism are incorrect philosophies that lead to ruin, that's not in question. But Republican party orthodoxy gets a fair share of credit for its rise in America.

2019-07-29 16:53:41 UTC  

Tbh what the Democrats are offering isn't even that bad

2019-07-29 16:53:48 UTC  

They'll never get any of the 'radical' things through

2019-07-29 16:53:56 UTC  

But the more moderate reforms, they could do

2019-07-29 16:54:03 UTC  

*Depending on what the houses look like*

2019-07-29 16:54:21 UTC  

But the more moderate reform is acceptable to a majority of Democrats