Message from @The Electric Lizard
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I maintain Andrew Ryan's Rapture as an accurate model of the logical conclusion of modern libertarianism
I think Libertarianism is different from what is essentially a form of radical objectivism which is what is displayed in Rapture
you know, minus genetic splicing
I dunno, dude, a wealthy russian immigrant industrialist builds a city underwater outside the jurisdiction of internationally recognized powers and invites other wealthy industrialists and innovators while simultanouesly leaving the contractors who built his city in his ideological dust?
I mean most Libertarianism believe in a state of some sort however in Rapture there basically isn't a Government the only thing that is done by Ryan is basic policing
ranting and raving about the 'great chain of industry'
Basic policing, until he decided literally no one can leave, and has his turf war with Fontaine
Fontaine fakes his death, Ryan Industries absorbs and cannibalizes Fontaine Futuristics, and the city becomes an oligarchy
I don't think Rapture is an accurate representation of Objectivism because the main problem in Rapture was that Fontaine created a monopoly on Plasmids that were poorly made however most Objectivists including Ayn Rand herself maintained the idea that Monopolies are impossible to create in a genuine free market and that they are caused by Government Intervention
Watch–Josh Hawley: ‘Elite Consensus’ for ‘Open Markets, Open Borders’ Disregards American Middle Class
> https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/03/watch-josh-hawley-elite-consensus-for-open-markets-open-borders-disregards-
Ayn Rand also ignored the need of a competitive corporation to grow
Besides the thing that destroyed Rapture was the Plasmids made by Ryan and Fontaine however since they are not a real thing if Andrew Ryan's form of Libertarianism was actually tried it couldn't be destroyed in the same way
Guess the communist action is taking effect...
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Poll: Less than Half of College Students Think America Is a Superpower
> https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/08/03/poll-less-than-half-of-college-students-think-america-is-a-superpower/
not in the same way, no, but beyond fictitious genetic superpowers, a strong metaphor for drugs and narcotics can be found
And there is no real example of a product like Plasmids that could really cause the same effect in real life, Since they are clearly on a different level to modern drugs
not perfectly equivilant, but not too dissimilar
his anti-socialist rhetoric was spot on, but those weren't the only people he was referring to when he spat out slurs against the 'parasite'
he correctly surmised that the unity of a people bound by a nation state was incompatible with his 'great chain' social construct
Well he essentially believed that all people should only be dependent on themselves which is why he opposed the social safety net
and though its not explicitly spelled out, it can't be questioned he's a very 'taxation is theft' kinda guy
I think he got rid of them
'sweat of the brow' and whatnot
yeah no, he figured the only required form of economic circulation was employment and consumerism
with no oversight of wage or prices whatsoever
wait what, what happend to the entire 'free markets help the middle class' narrative?
Well he isn't completely wrong economically, Most of the economy can run itself due to the invisible hand of the market
true enough, but then there's the inevitable question of who pays for universal requirements, like maintenance, or in this case, oxygen
and with who's money
*indentured servitude intensifies*
Well Ayn Rand supported the idea of voluntary taxation for it, Although i don't know how it would really work practically
the planting of Arcadia forest solved the latter problem, with admitance by fee shoring up a tidy profit, but there was also heating the pipes to keep them from freezing and bursting
Its the whole idea of self interest again though, The idea is that people would support these projects like maintenance with their own money because it is in their own self interest to have them done
ofcourse, as far as Rand was concerned, the right people were rational and logical, obviously they'd pay for that
Presumably the same would be expected to occur with Hospitals and Infrastructure and whatnot
until you run into people who are more convinced its in their best interest to invest that money in their other pursuits instead of a common project
afterall, what assurance can anyone, fictional or real, give that self-interest won't evolve into petty self-indulgeance if left unchecked
To be fair though it would work to an extent in Rapture because if your business started flooding or running out of oxygen for example it would be in your interest to use your money to fix it, I think it all comes down to your opinion on Human Nature
would not happen as these people would be rational to a fault
if it happened in a business that'd be a no brainer, not what I was referring to
how about a transit tunnel