Message from @brett0007wastaken

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2019-09-09 18:38:19 UTC  

This was more of a function of Confucianist tradition then of "repression" by the Emperor

2019-09-09 18:38:36 UTC  

@Goodwood of Dank™ whats the difference *bah dum tish*

2019-09-09 18:38:46 UTC  

*Empress, if we're talking about the same time period

2019-09-09 18:38:59 UTC  

Kek.

2019-09-09 18:39:24 UTC  

Dowager Empress, but splitting hairs now

2019-09-09 18:40:35 UTC  

ow ok

2019-09-09 18:40:38 UTC  

I was confuse af

2019-09-09 18:41:43 UTC  

yeah no, definitely talking about the 1900s and onward. specifically the Xing

2019-09-09 18:43:11 UTC  

even within Chinese documentation the Xing were referred to by some as a foreign occupying northern ethnic minority, but who is and isn't ethnically sovereign becomes difficult to discern when your state is a fragile as fucking candyglass

2019-09-09 19:11:04 UTC  

The thing with the Qing dynasty and Chinese history in general is that the entire religo philosopical outlook of China since its earliest inception under the Xia and Shang dynasties has been that of a divinely appointed autocrat to rule over all below heaven. A plausible argument can even be made that China's first recorded dynasty the Xia are a fabrication by the Zhao dynasty to justify there overthow of the Shang. China's entire existance up until the 20th century has been a sucession of dynastic autocrats given divine ligitimacy by chinese culture and religious beliefs to give context the Xia are tentitivly dated to 2200-1760 bc that's over 4 thousand years of this shit being the accepted way to do things.

2019-09-09 19:11:38 UTC  

is it Qing? can never keep it straight

2019-09-09 19:13:09 UTC  

depends on your translation but i think Qing is generally accepted as the name of the last imperial dynasty

2019-09-09 19:13:16 UTC  

The CCP pretty much cntinue that tradition in a way

2019-09-09 19:13:46 UTC  

They have the Mandate of Heaven, because they threw out the colonial scum and made China great again

2019-09-09 19:14:34 UTC  

the mandate of heaven by definition cannot be the mandate of the people

2019-09-09 19:14:59 UTC  

ehh, it kinda is and kinda isn't

2019-09-09 19:15:15 UTC  

it's 'whatever works' institutionalized

2019-09-09 19:15:18 UTC  

so if it works

2019-09-09 19:15:22 UTC  

you got the mandate

2019-09-09 19:15:22 UTC  

The mandate itself in complicated

2019-09-09 19:15:46 UTC  

it can be lost and then its fair game

2019-09-09 19:17:19 UTC  

for example the first ming emperor was born a poor peasant

2019-09-09 19:17:31 UTC  

thw whole continent seems to have been fair game at some point or another

2019-09-09 19:21:02 UTC  

China's problem has always been its size

2019-09-09 19:21:40 UTC  

and to give full context The Hongwu Emperor Rose to power under the Yuan dynasty founded by Kubli khan, who were seen as foregn invaded and generally disliked by the chinese

2019-09-09 19:22:06 UTC  

They weren't wrong

2019-09-09 19:23:11 UTC  

They overthrew an oppressive autocratic regime to replace it with another repressive autocratic regime

2019-09-09 19:24:33 UTC  

Sounds like modern Russia

2019-09-09 19:24:40 UTC  

and past Russia

2019-09-09 19:24:49 UTC  

Dam Asia is shitty

2019-09-09 19:25:15 UTC  

"Taking"

2019-09-09 19:37:17 UTC  

now that's terrifying

2019-09-09 20:08:23 UTC  

logical long term consequence of the one child per family policy and the genocide of baby girls in China

2019-09-09 20:08:39 UTC  

now they have an at least 200 million imbalance, male to female

2019-09-09 20:11:41 UTC  

Obligatory "it's almost as if..."

2019-09-09 20:15:21 UTC  

What is with china stealing people? They even do it to there fellow Asian neighbours.

2019-09-09 20:24:25 UTC  

They have to make up the difference somehow, so why not basically kidnap a bunch of women from other places and force them to marry Chinese men.

2019-09-09 21:00:12 UTC  

BRUH

2019-09-09 21:02:03 UTC  

Sweden