which is why i say what i say, If you want to empower a certain position, imagine someone you dont like having that position

and then think again

also with politicians, there are people that spend their lives in politics and law

so since they have an investment, its likely theyll use desperate tactics and lies and misinformation

when it comes to the Right, its more comfortable when you get told 'yeah its gunna suck in some ways'

more to the point, the context of the argument was always nuclear weapons

its more relatable and trusting, but also some people hate feeling like they have to do shit

colin powell paraded around a fake fucking jar of "yellow cake uranium" before congress for fucks sake

https://i.gyazo.com/b0286de596dd81915efdc0d69ceb3378.png <:pepesurrender:588020553873358858>

no more cakes for me

so excuse the fuck outta me if a retroactive clarification of what can be defined as "WMD" doesn't impress me

Bolton is a liar

Bolton didn't lie, and yellowcake uranium was found, which would be useful for creating dirty bombs

100,000 pounds were recovered

But the media made it about WMD's, when this was never really central to the invasion

The main problem was the fact the country was destabilizing, having for example released all the prisoner's, their GDP having dropped to around zero, and most the electricity and water being turned off

On top of threats of invasions on their neighbors and attempts to wipe out the kurds

That being said I'm not a huge fan of Bolton, it's just WMD's were found, and the massive amount of misinformation about them was largely a media lie

doesn't seem to bother us when Turks bomb kurds

Actually we have been more strict on Turkey, but a few attacks is different from open war

Turkey's entire argument is that they only go after terrorists, when they don't

where the fuck have I heard that before

While they do go after legitimate terrorists, they also tend to target civilians a lot

That puts them in to a precarious position

The U.S. is threataning sanctions on turkey right now though

should have threatened sanctions when erdogan sicced his fucking personal bodyguard on americans, frankly

desecularizing scum

It's a slow proccess, believe it or not the U.S. is very slow to act in these kinds of situations as it tries to work things out diplomatically

it starts with very slow ramping up, until war is finally enacted as a last resort. It just so happens we've been involved in a lot of wars, but usually if you look it takes like 10+ years to finally invade

WWII is a good example

It took us forever to finally be directly involved

it's usually very slow

Relations between the U.S. and Turkey have been shaky since the iraq war though

if its done properly, sure

"Relations between the countries began to deteriorate in 2003 as Turkey refused to allow the United States to use Incirlik Air Base for the invasion of Iraq, a process that intensified following the failed coup d'état attempt in Turkey in July 2016 as the country′s foreign policy has gradually re-orientated towards seeking partnerships with other powers such as Russia"

but then bush and obama decided to infantalize the role of congress on the matter

then next thing you know, we've got, whats the count now, 8 "military commitments?" [because shhh its not war, because reasons]

Well technically low intensity conflicts against terrorism are not actually war

But the iraq war is a war since it's against another nation. Fighting non-state entity is often times deemed to be something else

>"terrorism"
we just had this discussion

Functionally though it's irrelevant since the use of force laws are more or less the same