Message from @JaIsCool
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And accelerating matter past it.
So you can't have an infinite universe.
everything that is is always until its not forever
But I must still caveat such is apparent.
I won't caveat it, the universe is necessarily finite. And like I said, that's the matter and energy being finite.
Because there's always a chance that we just don't have the ability to perceive different rulesets thay we don't know.
And once we say science is settled, it is no longer science.
If we consider it is finite, but has to exist
Then I would say there's a *beyond*
The universe is conceptual, concepts aren't finite, therefore the universe is not either.
It really just boils down to what you are claiming the universe to be.
Eh, a concept can describe a finite element.
what is in the space between atoms?
I don't consider whatever the *beyond* might be to be universe.
As you mentioned, a threshold of somesort.
Like I said, the universe is a bubble expanding in an infinite *beyond*.
But that's just a layterm
The "expanding" isn't really true since there's nothing or something or all of it or none of it *beyond*
(Indescribable, but we're talking the extreme edges where human reasoning *cannot*)
Like, I subscribe to reality being an all at once type of thing.
The universe is starting and dying in this moment.
Possible, but then that breaks from universe (ours) to multiverse. @JaIsCool
And beyond comprehension almost automatically.
(Note, I say "comprehension" *not* "description.")
Wheras the void of - as NQ said - *beyond* is, well, beyond both.
Conciousness is the final frontier
I think the constant is just a boundary that exists in the 'forward' of what we can understand. But I also think backwards and forwards are just parts of c, for positive c there's negative c. I dunno, it's an idea I've been mulling.
Positive and negative c would imply a central axis?
Nut not saying time travel, since everything is in a single infinitely compressed moment, all at once.
Things make more sense to me framed that way
Can you prove that anything truly existed before your birth?
Well that's where faith comes in.
The truth lies beyond reason
Which goes back into what I was saying about *description* and *comprehension*.
Anyway, gotta sleep eventually.. and now that I'm gonna be dreaming of Cthulhu, I think it's a good time to do so.
You can see with your eyes closed.
All I gotta say is the universe, in terms of matter, time, space, energy, all finite.
Can't be otherwise.
Imagination is the next step in science
it always has been