good faith btw

human beings are fantastic

eh different axioms

both sides will see eachother as morally flawed at the core so peripheral things will allways come up

obviously america has more fundamentalist christians doing bad shit than murderous socialist policies

lol today

or even comparing Muslims to Christians

and even today its probably lik 60-40

when people bring out the 'things have been X way for years!' i dont see it as an actual argument

I'm hard ?

its different now, and in the past its obviously due to other prexisting things

its like again, saying white supremacy is a problem in the US

its like sure

then again in another country, radical islam is comparable much worse

so its just not an arguable point

that is still kinda fighting what-about-ism with what-about-ism

dont really know how to navigate it

but i do agree with the spirit of what you are saying

apples and oranges basically

earlier we talked about british colonialism

peanuts and watermellons*

and i said, that it was better that we colonised places

than if we let them get on with their own devices

yeah, we enslaved them when we got there

but the alternative is that they enslave each other and kill each other, and are devoid of technllogy, medicine, clean water, etc

and, eventually, we did free them

it could have worked, but the advent of communism hurt things quite a bit

its like, compare american black history to african black history

every single time id rather exist as a black person throughout the last 400 years in america than in africa

if britain could exert moderate cultural influence from a distance things could have been atleast stable

but russia/china/japan and even america to an extent kind of just destabalized anr/or infested places with communism

which is another thing

short term vs long term

a war is short term

an ideology is long term

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_osKgFwKoDQ&ab_channel=TalksatGoogle

this was a good video on it

so like in Iraq, it never was going to work

in south afirca in the 17th century or whenever the british colonised it , absolutely it can be

because its a continued existence for a new generation of people to be raised in

and they dont have the means to know otherwise