they centralize far too much of the liability

Not e-begging with no cause, but I would argue that many YTers (at least the ones I listen to/donate to) provide critical news and analysis which is a need for many people

technical elements of any program are never the largest sources of cost

@Snake Well in a sense, they're not.

Right now they might be jobs. Even being a youtuber. But think for a moment of the co-dependency of various industries that enables these jobs to actually create value.

Why do youtubers make money?

Why does adertisement make money?

There's a difference between a hole putting sad pics on gofundme asking for tit surgery, and someone who builds a brand around news/analysis/commentary

people give alot of shit away too

memes are an expression of that

so is the whole internet business model

none of us paid for a discord account or gmail

why not?

Ironic, listening to Tim Pool talking about his deviation from the narrative right now and how it'll be fine if/when he will have to live in a fucking van, dude is 33 years old, should be worried more about a family and putting money in his children's tuition fund- yet here we are.

that isn't capitalism

@ManAnimal No, but we're not the customers of gmail or discord. We're their product.

correct

but we are consumers

just not customers

hence the caveat

@ManAnimal Nope, we're not consumers of discord or gmail. Either, we're only product because discord and google makes money of our usage of gmail and discord through advertisement, selling our data, search history etc. etc.

Tim "sensationalist" Poole

The ship is burning my dudes...

@Redxl i've noticed that more than onces

Tbh Tim is no better than the dino media

Seven, we buy from the companies that pay discord and gmail

so we most certainly are

and data is not money

@Mikey That only makes the counter point even worse...

that's barter at best

Data is money though

social credit at worst

You can sell data

no different than in the USSR

you can sell sex too

doesn't mean you should

@ManAnimal Maybe you do. But I haven't bought anything from either of them. I'm just a user of free service.

But this brings me to the point about industry co-dependency. Discord and gmail depends on the revenue from advertisers who want to purchase our data and being allowed to expose us to advertisement.

I’m not saying you should I’m saying it’s still money

that's 'an argument of exceptions' Seven

irrelevant

point is that it is a closed-loop

@ManAnimal Okay then, if you think that gmail or discord makes most of their money from their users buying things from then then I guess you could make that argument. But we'd have to look at actual sales figures to be sure.