Message from @Miniature Menace

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2019-09-06 00:46:27 UTC  

What disincentives?

2019-09-06 00:46:49 UTC  

i've met CEOs

2019-09-06 00:48:39 UTC  

they don't have a concept of money, they don't really care that their staff have none or seem to realise why it's a problem - they're utterly driven by status. the fat bonuses - it's all status like showing off a car

2019-09-06 00:48:43 UTC  

Hell, restrictions and taxes put on high earnings are actually one of the reasons the stock market is so fucking cancer.

2019-09-06 00:49:08 UTC  

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2019-09-06 00:50:10 UTC  

Basically, due to diminishing returns of regular income, many high earning corporate actors tend to take a portion of their earnings in stocks and other such things, and then focus on *boosting* the growth of these things, rather than tending to the actual health of the company.

2019-09-06 00:50:26 UTC  

i'm "lucky" enough to have worked in a small company which is now huge, it used to be that the CEO was a guy who said hello to you in the corridor, hes gone now, the new types are all in an ivory tower

2019-09-06 00:51:04 UTC  

@Miniature Menace Growth is healthy for the company..

2019-09-06 00:51:17 UTC  

Those things are assets for the company as well.

2019-09-06 00:51:26 UTC  

Which can be liquidated and used.

2019-09-06 00:52:00 UTC  

Even if they do that. So what?

2019-09-06 00:52:03 UTC  

Let them crash their company.

2019-09-06 00:52:29 UTC  

Actual growth is healthy. Things like becoming better at supplying the needs of their customers and employees. This is healthy. What instead happens is shenanigans, pr, and bookkeeping wizardy to make their stocks look really good, so the shareholders take home more money.

2019-09-06 00:53:17 UTC  

That would be fine, if that's what actually happened. Crashing the company. But they often get bailouts, and have clever ways due to corporate structure of avoiding accountability for failure.

2019-09-06 00:53:18 UTC  

"bookkeeping wizardry" => fire some people

2019-09-06 00:53:25 UTC  

pretty much

2019-09-06 00:53:31 UTC  

Then don't bail them out.

2019-09-06 00:53:35 UTC  

at least that's what it is part of the time

2019-09-06 00:53:38 UTC  

yeah no joke, it happened last month at our place.

2019-09-06 00:53:43 UTC  

"too big to fail"

2019-09-06 00:54:19 UTC  

They *should* be allowed to fail. They just often *aren't*

2019-09-06 00:54:27 UTC  

Then don't bail them out.

2019-09-06 00:54:53 UTC  

because unfortunately, it's all a hot mess, with people in the government administration deriving their own wealth from the stock market rates of these companies

2019-09-06 00:55:02 UTC  

2 weeks before the shareholder meeting 5 people i know directly lost their jobs - 3 redundancies and 2 bullshit firings, another entire team got TUPEd - that's just scratching the surface. they cleaned house before the shareholder meeting basically

2019-09-06 00:55:53 UTC  

It's all tied together. The establishment is rotten to the core.

2019-09-06 00:56:08 UTC  

the redundant people are being re-hired, in india naturally

2019-09-06 00:56:15 UTC  

lol

2019-09-06 00:56:20 UTC  

enjoy your spaghetti code

2019-09-06 00:56:41 UTC  

but the thing was so obviously a sudden 'adjustment' of outgoings, their management seemed to be taken by surprise by it too

2019-09-06 00:57:10 UTC  

anyway, I need to go eat

2019-09-06 00:57:17 UTC  

later

2019-09-06 00:59:02 UTC  

Hmmm... are reference to Pajeet Technocracy...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613770471938195467/619335710926700544/endgoals.jpg

2019-09-06 00:59:28 UTC  

watching older chapelle stuff since i enjoyed his new one so much that upset the progressives

2019-09-06 01:05:53 UTC  

just shows how the goalposts have changed, because the content isn't much different yet this got rave reviews

2019-09-06 01:13:31 UTC  

Why is fully auto gay space communism and project venus on opposite sides?

2019-09-06 01:15:00 UTC  

It's the "Destiny vs. Will" axis. Not authoritarian-libertarian.

2019-09-06 01:15:07 UTC  

I'm aware

2019-09-06 01:15:35 UTC  

I guess, Fully Automated Gay Space Communism is "inevitable" by it's proponents, where as Project Venus requires will to achieve.

2019-09-06 01:16:01 UTC  

it would probably help if the person laying this out provided more of a definition for each of these things

2019-09-06 01:16:12 UTC  

Yeah, it would.